Harry to sue BBC

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I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

I don't know why they didn't just call the new baby Lili from the offset. Still recognising HMQ but allowing HMQ to keep her own pet name.

Now I would be honoured if any future DGC or DGGC of mine were called Tracy, Trace or Beaker/Beaks after me, yet if my intimate pet name was RacySqueaks then I would feel a bit miffed especially if the parents been trashing my business & family.

@alwayswithhope, as pp have said, Charlotte comes from the same Latin source as Carole and Charles. It is to be expected that Charlotte would be given names with a royal heritage, the only slight curved ball being the inclusion of “Diana”, but that is understandable. Yes it worked out well that they were able to “include” Carole in this way but what is wrong with that? At least they seem to have put down thought into it. Also as pp have said, Pippa’s middle name is Charlotte. It is lovely to name children after older family members. I have included grandparents names in my children’s names.

The press release suggested that she will be known as Lili which goes well with Archie imo. Archie is his birth certificate name so it's a surprise that they didn't just go straight for Lili as a birth certificate name too.

Why then name your child after the head of the institution situation you despise? Because links with said institution gives you the attention and therefore money you want?

Charlotte is called Charlotte Elizabeth Dianua.

aaAAH, So Elizabeth had been used - hence the Lillibet.
But who was Archie after - no one - so why name after the Queen

I guess the Queen must have always felt it belonged to her and was part of her private identity. They've taken that from her.*

Nobody owns a name. It doesn't 'belong' to her lol. The Queen is not the first Lilibet and she won't be the last. Harsh reality I know 😬

No one knows what has been discussed. I imagine the RF are pleased to have a new baby in the family and another great grandchild for the Queen.

@BreakingtheIce

Why then name your child after the head of the institution situation you despise? Because links with said institution gives you the attention and therefore money you want?

'Head of institution' or as Harry calls her, Nan 😬

I didn't know I had to love all my uncles and agree with extended family to name my baby after Nan...

@Lille4. Of course nobody owns a name and there are other Lilibets, but the point here surely is that in the Queen’s case, it was used by those close to her as a personal name of endearment and as she has little privacy, she must have felt this was one thing she could have to herself? It is not as though HaM have randomly chosen the name. It is a reference to the Queen. They have said as much themselves in their official announcement.

As many have said also, why didn’t they use Elizabeth and call her Lili?

It's just beyond daft.

I just think poor kid to be saddled with such a burdensome name.

Was it a name at all before it was adopted by the parents of the then toddler Princess Elizabeth who couldn't quite manage to pronouce her own name?

It's a very intimate pet name, only really used by the Queen's parents, sister and husband within the family.

That unconnected people have subsequently used it isn't really the point here.

I, like many, found it unthinkable that it would have been used without express, overt and unmistakeable blessing. I'm wondering if I need to expand my thinking

@TracyBeakerSoYeah imagine they had used Princess Diana’s childhood nickname of ‘Duchess’ or ‘Duch/Dutch’ 😆

Lilibet Duchess would have been something to behold

His wife has just had a baby and his first thought is legal action. What a pathetic bloke he is. The pair of them need something else to worry about. They're like tantrumming toddlers

He’s a very angry, bitter man. Supposedly he went to America to start a new life with Megan, where they were going to live happily ever after, in privacy. Megan has also arranged therapy for him which has ‘changed his outlook on life’, yet he still seems incredibly angry all of the time, so the therapy clearly is not working. I just wish he and Megan would disappear into the obscurity they wanted. He’s just making the whole situation so much worse than it needed to be. If it is a lie about the Queen not giving a nod to the baby’s name, so what? He was happy to provide half truths to Oprah.

Thing is if you have "strong boundaries" as they say in psychotherapy speak then it can be hard to get your head around people who are more pushy.

@lollipoprainbow

Don't blame him I hope they sue the arse of the daily mail too for their vile articles !!

It’s the BBC they maybe suing, not DM.

@Lille4

I guess the Queen must have always felt it belonged to her and was part of her private identity. They've taken that from her.*

Nobody owns a name. It doesn't 'belong' to her lol. The Queen is not the first Lilibet and she won't be the last. Harsh reality I know 😬

No, it doesn't belong to her, but up until last week it was a personal name used in the Queen's private life by those closest to her - all of whom are now dead. Even without this clusterfuck of gossip, litigation and drama it now has a whole different set of associations. Appropriating it without being absolutely 100% sure it wasn't going to cause upset is not the actions of a considerate, loving, respectful grandchild.

How do you know how many people used the name?

I think it’s just so weird and entitled

Would have been a lovely gesture had they not spent the last year slagging the RF off !

Well, if nothing else they still stand to make money out of the RF by trademarking the name - which in turn opens up further revenue streams for future lawsuits.

Netflix deals, tell-all interviews and lawsuits seem to be their income sources.

@TheoMeo

Charlotte is called Charlotte Elizabeth Dianua.

aaAAH, So Elizabeth had been used - hence the Lillibet.
But who was Archie after - no one - so why name after the Queen

Elizabeth (in full) is not a name that anyone in the Royal family has dibs on - it’s one of Anne’s middle names, one of Zara’s, her daughter Lena, Peter Phillip’s daughter Isla also, Princess Beatrice, Lady Louise Windsor as well as Princess Charlotte. Fairly obviously, if they’d wanted to name their daughter “Diana Elizabeth” no feathers would have been ruffled.

I have no inside knowledge, but given how it’s not previously been used as a first name, it might have been seen as the done thing to check out that the Queen was okay with an “Elizabeth Diana” since that was a departure from tradition for her descendants? Co-opting her personal family pet name is obviously a step further still.

Even if she has said 'fine, use it if you want to, by all means, WHY would anyone want to use it in the first place?!

I'd feel it was insensitive to ask her anyway because if she refused it would look churlish, so it was putting her in a very difficult position (IF she was asked directly about the name Lilibet, which I doubt.)

And it's just really stupid to think that a reigning monarch's nickname used by her nearest and dearest is appropriate for your child when you have basically stuck 2 fingers up at her parenting skills (genetic pain, anyone?) and walked away from supporting her 'firm'.

It shows a complete lack of emotional intelligence and empathy.

I dont get those two want nothing to do with it yet keep making connections back to the RF-just go and live your lives