Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

@Parker231, it is well documented that the name was first used for her by George V as she was unable to correctly pronounce “Elizabeth “ as a small child. Her family used it and PP used it, as well as “Cabbage”. It’s not so much how many people used it but more which people ie those nearest and dearest to her.

I wonder if the comments by Scobie are designed to keep them in the headlines.

Also, I seem to remember that, as a child on the Sandringham Estate, Diana called the Queen Aunt Lilibet, so the name wasn't only used by Prince Philip.

@whynotwhatknot

I dont get those two want nothing to do with it yet keep making connections back to the RF-just go and live your lives

All about money, innit?

@JinglingHellsBells totally agree with you ! Plus she has literally just lost the man who called her it for years! Absolute cheeky feckers
I feel like she must have been very upset by its use else wouldn’t have sanctioned the comment to bbc (which she obv did else story wouldn’t still be out there )

@TheoMeo

Charlotte is called Charlotte Elizabeth Dianua.

aaAAH, So Elizabeth had been used - hence the Lillibet.
But who was Archie after - no one - so why name after the Queen

Zara's daughter Lena and Mark's daughter Isla also have Elizabeth as a middle name

C8H10N4O2

Great post of yours at 15.41

I wonder why they brought it up after the baby was born, as seems to be the case ... They really put the Queen on the spot - she could hardly say anything negative without feeling like a real party pooper.

I'm with H and M.
If they had named their daughter anything un-royal there would have been stories about their lack of respect for family traditions... they can't win!

The press picks on any little thing and inflates it to bulky them and all because the press list the libel case already.

As for trademarking/branding the name - they HAVE to before someone unrelated does it and trades off their child's name. Pretty standard practice for rich/royal

BBC news to stop printing gossip stories and concentrate on actually reporting the news.

The Spanish Royal family also call her “Aunt Lilibet” - she and former King Juan Carlos were third cousins and she apparently called him “Juanito”. The two families holidayed together a lot.

It’s a bit pointless though trying to identify exactly how many people may have used the name for her. The key fact for many is that, for someone who had dedicated her whole life to her public role, this is one of the few things which unequivocally relates to “Elizabeth the person” rather than “Elizabeth the Queen and Head of the Family”.

@Tistheseason17 what is Royal about Archie as a name?🤣

Sorry, I don't understand what you're suggesting. They are still rich and in public eye.

Are we talking at cross purposes? You said they would have been stories about lack of royal traditions if they had named her something un royal. I was pointing out that Archie is an un royal name. Sorry if you misunderstood 😀

@TheoMeo

Charlotte is called Charlotte Elizabeth Dianua.

aaAAH, So Elizabeth had been used - hence the Lillibet.
But who was Archie after - no one - so why name after the Queen

I don’t think that concept exists in the royal family.

For decades, all the female descendants of Queen Victoria had “Victoria” as one of their names.

I think almost every female descendant of Princess Marina has “Marina” amongst their names. (Although not Zenoushka Mowatt, which isn’t surprising considering the non-conformity of her mother.)

So I don’t think they would consider that once one baby has been given a relation’s name as a middle name, it’s then used up and off limits. Quite the opposite.

@Tistheseason17

I'm with H and M. If they had named their daughter anything un-royal there would have been stories about their lack of respect for family traditions... they can't win!

The press picks on any little thing and inflates it to bulky them and all because the press list the libel case already.

As for trademarking/branding the name - they HAVE to before someone unrelated does it and trades off their child's name. Pretty standard practice for rich/royal

It's never been a tradition to give your child the pet/ nickname of a living royal, used only in private, especially one who you have criticised for their bad parenting passed down through their son to you.

Has it?

I think that a non Royal name would have been fine. Lots of new names like Mia and Savannah and everybody knew that Diana would probably be a name.

I think that Archie set the bar for not picking Royal first names.

@JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn

BBC news to stop printing gossip stories and concentrate on actually reporting the news.

Most sensible post I've read all day Hear hear, spot on, well said

What we are seeing now is what they wanted with the half in half out of the royal family, that's my personal opinion.

I'm not convinced that he gets past first base in terms of what he has to prove. I'm no expert on libel, but I understand he has to show that what was said would lower him in the minds of right-thinking people. I don't know about anyone else, but it never occurred to me to consult my grannies about my children's names, nor would I expect my children to consult their own grandparents - even if they planned to name them after said grandparents. So I really don't care whether Harry consulted or not, and if it were established that he didn't I wouldn't instantly think worse of him. So what damage to his reputation has he actually suffered as a result of this specific issue? And has it damaged it any more than, say, running off to give interviews to Oprah, whingeing that Daddy isn't subsidising his millionaire lifestyle, etc etc?

The point I'm so clearly making badly 😂 is that whatever they do/say is going to be misrepresented so they can't win.

I'm not sure I'd bother fighting it - but I guess the press have been harassing them so much this is how they fight back. I don't think it will stop, sadly.

I am just sick and tired of this. I want h and m to be happy. I really want them to stop adding to the drama. It’s what it is feeling like to me. Feel sorry for m but good god will it never end?! They’ve escaped. Stay escaped !

@RickiTarr

And rightly so. Hope the BBC get rinsed. Daily Mail as well.

If the BBC correctly reported what they were told by a senior palace employee, they’ve done nothing wrong.

They have if it's not true. They can't just report anything that anyone tells them as the truth without being sure that it is.

Have you not been around the past year?

The BBC has been the mouthpiece of the government by Laura K and allowed to print what's going to happen next (rumour) with regards to restrictions before it's been officially announced.

If someone in the know has said this the BBC is innocent.

Doesn’t a reputable source like a palace spokesperson enable them to report something ? If not not much point in the role surely? How would the bbc further evidence to establish truth Do they have to speak to the Queen ? Or maybe some phone hacking ?

@smilesy - yes, thanks, I think we were speaking about different things 😊