Harry to sue BBC

[Viviennemary]

I just read Harry is going to sue the BBC for announcing the Queen wasn't consulted over the name Lilibet. They said she was told of their plans . Maybe told isnt quite the same as consulted. When is this all going to end. Seems to be getting worse instead of improving.

Really - haven't hey just been exposed ?

Not the newsroom.

But now you mention it, I bet they are all under extra strict orders not to cock up or make any mistakes in royal stories since Bashir and management were censured.

You seem to be imagining the BBC newsroom as the NOTW resurrected with random, drunken junior staff inventing fake stories. It’s definitely not like that

I agree - principally because it's not necessarily junior staff corrupting things
Bashir needs no further advertisement, but the scandals over the coverage of Lord McAlpine, Cliff Richard and Jimmy Savile are just recent ones which come to mind (and given the prominence of those concerned I don't imagine they were handled by juniors either)

Not to worry though; nothing really happened to the corporation over any of those and nothing's going to happen, just so long as the government of the day enjoy licence fee payers buying them a mouthpiece

@Oldbutstillgotit

“Charlotte is called Charlotte Elizabeth Diana. There was none of this vitriol when she was named 🙄”

The difference is that full names were used not family nicknames .
My DGD has my name as her middle name but it is the full name not the one I am known by among close family and friends .

I've seen a lot of people use a shorter or nickname version of an old traditional name for the baby. That way they still honour their older relative but give their baby a more modern variation of the name. Nothing wrong with that.

[quote smilesy]@TheFairyCaravan. I think I read that “Charlotte” was meant to be some sort of tribute to both Charles and Carole, and Elizabeth is also Carole’s middle name, so I think they did include her 🤷‍♀️[/quote]
How convenient she was ‘included’ by using names that are famously royal family names

Also I am planning to name a child after my mother in law who has passed away. Naming children after family members past and present is quite Normal.

H&M did say that one of their concerns was the palace issuing lies or distortion s of the truth to the media. For example M father's letter. So if they still continue to act this way I can understand them taking action swiftly and sharply. Why is it ok for William And Charles to silence or sue the media but H is expected to ignore otherwise he is the one making the fuss and not the perpetrator advised that even if it was true which I don't believe, it is wrong to leak to the media. Why don't they just come out and issue a statement - the palace states ....... rather than source. They knew the reaction they would get. It's a bit like the racism that H mentioned - the public say he should name the person otherwise we make assumptions- so In This case too - if what you are stating is true why hide behind a source.

Reading between the lines, it seems that perhaps they told the Queen of their intention after the baby was born , but didn’t ASK for approval. So that out the Queen in a difficult situation where she probably had to say ‘how nice’, whilst not voicing her real feelings. HM is not going to ease in here, she will keep silent. Otherwise it will not end well.

Wade in

Lille4
I agree with you.
I think some people are deliberately missing the point with all the but it's really common to name babies after elderly relatives lines.

It is common for names to be passed on in families and acknowledge older relatives when naming children.

It's not common to take a your grandparent's pet name as your child's given name.

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It's almost unheard of to take your grandparent's pet name on one hand, whilst spending a bizarre amount of time whining to the press about how awful your family are, how toxic they are, (IIRC) how your father's upbringing probably caused his failings as a parent, how you and your wife are victims of a mean and nasty family and wish everyone would leave you alone before finding some way to get yourselves in the headlines

Especially when said family never see your existing child and aren’t likely to see the new child either.

I've seen a lot of people use a shorter or nickname version of an old traditional name for the baby. That way they still honour their older relative but give their baby a more modern variation of the name
Nothing wrong with that.

That’s fine but it’s not the same as using the private pet name that only certain people ever used. You are talking about using a diminutive like Beth or Eliza for instance.

I think that they have really gone too far this time and actually it’s another big fuck you to the RF. The palace wouldn’t have briefed the beeb if H&M hadn’t gone public saying that the Queen had been asked, so yet again they have created a drama. It’s all 100% intentional. Their behaviour is contemptible.

I don't think any parents need permission to call their child anything they want. That said - if their daughter is going to be known by Lili - why not just call her Lili. It appears ( and only because they all over news / social media - I do not know them ) they appear to be hanging on to any RF associations by their fingertips. Not sure what they would being doing / offered without those associations . But but but that may have be the name of their dreams & the Queen - I bet folding money will never say what she really thinks

That said I wish them and their family all well. I hope they use their paternity / maternity leave to relax and not to wind themselves up suing people.

The only thing I can see from this is that the only people making Harry and Meghan look stupid are Harry and Meghan.

@LolaSmiles

Lille4 I agree with you. I think some people are deliberately missing the point with all the but it's really common to name babies after elderly relatives lines.

It is common for names to be passed on in families and acknowledge older relatives when naming children.

It's not common to take a your grandparent's pet name as your child's given name.

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It's almost unheard of to take your grandparent's pet name on one hand, whilst spending a bizarre amount of time whining to the press about how awful your family are, how toxic they are, (IIRC) how your father's upbringing probably caused his failings as a parent, how you and your wife are victims of a mean and nasty family and wish everyone would leave you alone before finding some way to get yourselves in the headlines

You are right. Harry also specifically mentioned that his grandmother was definitely not the one who made the racist remarks and they actually have a close relationship with her so I'm not that shocked that their baby is called Lilibet.

He's always made sure the queen is excluded from any accusations they've made so far.

FGS Harry give it a rest.
Are you going to drag the Queen to court to say on oath that you had this discussion?

She isn’t excluded. She is the head of the whole ‘institution’ and any criticism reflects directly on her. She’s spent her whole life upholding the institution and traditions which they are publicly criticising in very strong terms.

Blind Gossip has a couple of interesting ‘blinds’ on H and M at the moment.

If one of my children called their child a nickname me or DH used for eachother I would not be happy about it.
Names are fair enough but nicknames are really personal. Even if they asked The Queen I don’t think it’s on, how can she say no?

I hope they sue, spend every penny they have left, lose and then shut the fuck up.

The name is naff, and disrespectful. Should have just gone for Elizabeth, or maybe Bethany or Eliza if they wanted something linked to the Queen.

I just think both of them are totally bonkers. They suit each other really.

I've seen a lot of people use a shorter or nickname version of an old traditional name for the baby. That way they still honour their older relative but give their baby a more modern variation of the name
Nothing wrong with that

It's not the same as calling your child a popular modern abbreviation of a traditional name - Beth to honour your granny Elizabeth, or Millie to remember Great Aunt Millicent. It's far more personal than that, and particularly so because this is one of the world's most famously formal families.

The name Lilibet will now become much more common and fashionable. I guess the Queen must have always felt it belonged to her and was part of her private identity. They've taken that from her.

@BreakingtheIce

She isn’t excluded. She is the head of the whole ‘institution’ and any criticism reflects directly on her. She’s spent her whole life upholding the institution and traditions which they are publicly criticising in very strong terms.

Unfortunately she's the head of a very flawed institution which harbours an alleged child sex offender and now apparently racists. As much as they love her, things like that cannot be overlooked imo.

I think he is a very angry young man who is determined to bring down the royal family. The trouble is he hasn’t got the maturity to see that the harder he tries the worse it will get. It’s a case of when your in a hole stop digging. At the end of the day does any of it really matter in the grand scheme of things?