Strange family relationships

[antsy]

The Queen is reported to have invited Harry to a private lunch. According to a courtier speaking to the Mail: "It’s a typically magnanimous gesture by Her Majesty.
It will be the first time they will meet alone since 2020.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/15196025/queen-harry-lunch-windsor-private-meeting-royal-family/

If my great grandmother (if she was alive) was going to invite me for lunch, even if there had been a big family feud, it would not be seen as this amazing gesture.

I do find it strange anyway that they have to book an appointment to see the Queen, even her adult children have to. In a more normal family the adult children would just ring and say are you free tonight, okay if I pop over for a quick coffee? It is all so stiff and formal even with close family relationships. No wonder they are so dysfunctional.

@Oldbutstillgotit

Apparently H is threatening to take legal action against the BBC over their report that H and M didn’t seek permission to use the name Lillibet . Of course it could be another case where recollections vary .

They won't take legal action unless they have proof. The recollections vary is a horrible way of accusing him of lying.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers Missed the point totally. The point is -
Look at a 95-year-old woman and how generous she is squeezing in a private lunch with her grandson.

@Skiptheheartsandflowers
I think the point is that PP are saying the Queen is very busy - we are not saying she should be of course not - what we are saying is she is not very busy which we all agree at 95 she shouldn't be doing very much rather than looking after her health.

So the emphasis is she shouldn't be and isn't very busy. At 95
Not she is busy and should be. At 95

Harry and Meghan reacted by announcing it on social media, rather than waiting for an alternative meeting.

To be fair a palace insider (widely believed to be someone from the infamously leaky Kensington Palace, where multiple staffers have been exposed as selling or leaking stories to the tabloids) leaked the story to the press, blindsiding Harry and Meghan. They didn't really have any choice but to release the news themselves, once it'd been leaked.

That’s purely because of Covid and the fact that her husband has been very ill and recently died.
So? Doesn't change the fact the posts on this thread claiming the Queen is currently, actively travelling all over doing engagements morning noon and night are factually untrue.

So? Doesn't change the fact the posts on this thread claiming the Queen is currently, actively travelling all over doing engagements morning noon and night are factually untrue.

Very true.

I love it when we have self pronounced anti monarchy posters. From previous threads slagging off an elderly woman. All to back their own agenda. Give the lady a break. Not many people will ever work at such an age. It may not seem like she is constantly busy at the moment. However she is doing loads considering her age. Even zoom calls can be knackering. She also has the right to conduct her family affairs as she sees fit. She has already zoomed to see the new baby. Is reported to have always been a keep phone users in the past as a way of keeping in contact. Personal meeting are obviously good but not the only way to stay connected.

I don't think anyone is slapping her off - just making obvious points

[quote antsy]@Skiptheheartsandflowers Missed the point totally. The point is -
Look at a 95-year-old woman and how generous she is squeezing in a private lunch with her grandson.[/quote]
No, I got your point. Just thought it was daft.

95 year old woman takes 5 days off work! What an outrage.

Don't be snide. No one's suggesting she's wrong for taking time off and working an easy schedule. Everyone's said she works extremely hard for her age.

Other posters have claimed the Queen has engagements morning noon and night, implying that she's constantly travelling and so busy that of course she can't possibly speak to her own family without courtiers booking it months in advance. That is factually untrue.

Nothing wrong with correct a falsehood, surely?

Covid or no covid, of course she isn't globetrotting round the world, and nor should she be! The courtiers have a duty of care after all.
She's done her decades of service, I hope she's doing very little.

Just don't claim a private lunch with a grandson is a generous gesture.
I know Harry is only flying in for 7 hours, so I wonder if they know he cant make the lunch and this is why the invite is public?

@antsy

So? Doesn't change the fact the posts on this thread claiming the Queen is currently, actively travelling all over doing engagements morning noon and night are factually untrue.

Very true.

Very not true

Currently because of the pandemic and death of her husband she is not doing much official travelling. Previously she was and always has been up and down the country.

Also she has moved between her residences during the pandemic. As well as not seeing anyone outside her household in person during stints of lockdown isolating to keep safe. Which people are also not accounting for in delays to meet in person. Her staff need to protect her from the virus at the moment.

I'm amazed so many of you appear to have detailed knowledge of the Queen's day to day life.

@TruelyStruttingHotpants

You obviously have not read the thread at all because your post is totally wrong

I think I've said four or five times that I hope she's doing very little, that even calls at that age can be exhausting, that Charles and the courtiers will be doing all the work etc.
And all other posters on here have said the same
Yet you post in that accusatory and untrue eay

@ohforarainyday

95 year old woman takes 5 days off work! What an outrage.

Don't be snide. No one's suggesting she's wrong for taking time off and working an easy schedule. Everyone's said she works extremely hard for her age.

Other posters have claimed the Queen has engagements morning noon and night, implying that she's constantly travelling and so busy that of course she can't possibly speak to her own family without courtiers booking it months in advance. That is factually untrue.

Nothing wrong with correct a falsehood, surely?

That was exactly what was suggested. But now it's a case of backtracking because the point about 5 days looked petty (because it was) and trivialised the genuine issue of what the Queen should do. And give up the tone policing!

If there's going to be any difficulty on the scheduling front it's more likely to be on Harry's side, surely? Reports are now that he's going to fly straight in and out again for the statue ceremony. Hard to book in lunch with someone who is only in the country for 24 hours. There might legitimately be things booked in already that can't be changed.

From previous threads slagging off an elderly woman.
No one has slagged her off. Posting factual data from the Court Circular is not slagging off. Saying a 95yr old woman is not working all day every day is not slagging off, unless you believe a 95 yr old woman should be working all day every day, which personally I strongly disagree with and find offensive.

All to back their own agenda.
And what agenda are the posters posting factually false statements claiming the Queen constantly travels and has engagements all day and night pushing?

Previously she was and always has been up and down the country.

And that's relevant to her upcoming lunch with Harry how? She's been at Windsor Castle without changing residence for months, and obviously is not travelling or doing loads of engagements.

@TruelyStruttingHotpants so the Queen is fine to see some adult children and grandchildren regularly but not others?

@antsy

Just don't claim a private lunch with a grandson is a generous gesture. I know Harry is only flying in for 7 hours, so I wonder if they know he cant make the lunch and this is why the invite is public?

Mostly that claim is just stupid media meddling and some daft palace PR person probably. If they could just stop reporting all this crap about both sides that would be good. However not seeing that happening anytime soon.

No the media report what the palace feed to them. This is how their or works.

Your grandmother, if she is lucky enough to live to be that age, is not the Queen so nobody cares who she meets down the Dog and Duck for a swift pint and ham sandwich.The Queen is different, Harry lives in a different country. He can’t just rock up to see her obviously.
Plenty of posh folk have different airs and graces than other people.
I knew someone who told me her fiancé’s mother always shouted her husband to carve the meat on a Sunday. Whatever he was ding had to stop and he simply had to go and carve up the meat for Sunday lunch.
She found it amusing but obviously some people live like that.

[quote Roussette]@TruelyStruttingHotpants

You obviously have not read the thread at all because your post is totally wrong

I think I've said four or five times that I hope she's doing very little, that even calls at that age can be exhausting, that Charles and the courtiers will be doing all the work etc.
And all other posters on here have said the same
Yet you post in that accusatory and untrue eay[/quote]
Not making that call directly at you today. Though your presents on these threads is also WHY just WHY. Can't see as you have such distaste for the whole monarchy you bother (Though I often comment on threads where I have no appetite for the subject. So hokey dokey)

@Onlinedilema Harry is reportedly flying in for 7 hours. They are rich, it's not like me booking an economy flight with a lengthy check-in. They will go by private jet and in luxury.

That was exactly what was suggested.

Please quote those posts.

But now it's a case of backtracking because the point about 5 days looked petty (because it was)

I'm not remotely backtracking, and I completely disagree that it's "petty" to correct a false statement claiming the Queen works and travels non-stop with a factual statement from the official Royal website about the Queen having no engagements for days at a time.

@TruelyStruttingHotpants

How odd you have this incorrect view of me?
Just because I loathe some of the vitriol directed at H&M does not mean I have huge distaste for the Monarchy. I have said over the years a gazillion times on threads they need a massive overhaul and a slimming down because I know they will be around for many decades to come. And change is needed.
I hate the opacity of the finances yes. And I hope that the advent of Charles will mean changes in all sorts of ways because, if not, the three children will possibly lead difficult lives given the treatment over decades of outsiders into the family.

I just think you don't know me and you assume something and question why I'm here, but hey, it's not as if it's the first time.
I'm used to it

[quote Roussette]@TruelyStruttingHotpants

How odd you have this incorrect view of me?
Just because I loathe some of the vitriol directed at H&M does not mean I have huge distaste for the Monarchy. I have said over the years a gazillion times on threads they need a massive overhaul and a slimming down because I know they will be around for many decades to come. And change is needed.
I hate the opacity of the finances yes. And I hope that the advent of Charles will mean changes in all sorts of ways because, if not, the three children will possibly lead difficult lives given the treatment over decades of outsiders into the family.

I just think you don't know me and you assume something and question why I'm here, but hey, it's not as if it's the first time.
I'm used to it [/quote]
Sorry if I am mistaken. However you have said to me before that you are not in favour of the monarchy. You have always only ever supported two members of the monarchy from the posts you have written. Even when they unquestionably have behaved as badly as some of their relatives. It is kind of a easy presumption to make about you

However it is good on this occasion you have some sympathy for a old lady. I just wish people could see that these are real people and a real family. Not just figure heads or media play things. That goes for all members of the family (well perhaps not Andy or one of the kents)