Thoughts on Prince William's speech?

[Aspiringmatriarch]

I've been musing on this, I'm not sure I agree with the idea that the Bashir interview created a 'false narrative'. Obviously Diana was lied to, which is appalling, and I'm sure that fueled some of her paranoia but isn't it true that she was spied on at times e.g. with the squidgygate tapes? And she'd already collaborated with Andrew Morton saying many of the same things, and apparently wanted to do an interview after Charles gave his.

I don't know... it just feels odd to me that William is essentially asking for it to be struck from the record. He was apparently angry with her after the Bashir interview and was teased about it at school, which must have been horrible. Is he trying to protect her memory or is there an element of trying to tidy it all away?

It is very common, I think most of us would agree that we are not offended and we are all Located up there or down there.This is the first I have heard of anyone being offended at the phrase "up there or down there" I think @derxa was clutching at straws but I may be wrong and it is a sincere reaction. Only on MN I'm not clutching at any straws. It's the use of the word 'there' which is a bit odd. It implies 'other' when we are all part of the UK for now. It's a gut reaction. I don't want independence. It would be an economic disaster.

@Samcro

I thought it was normal to say down south and up north.

Yes it is. But we don't generally say 'down there' or 'up there' in that sense

Well.... I've scratched my head and read and re-read and don't understand it at all.

And I must repeat, saying 'what a shame they couldn't be with them up there for a week' was nothing about having a dig at Scotland, or acting like it is a foreign country.
However, as saying Scotland is beautiful is an awful thing to say too, I give up on it all, and must remind myself to avoid all discussion on Scotland for the sake of my sanity

smilesy I read the article too, it was interesting and shows how the status quo will be impossible to change!

@Roussette

What a shame they couldn't be with them up there for a week

Let's just clarify that. They obviously can't pull them out of school, that would not go down well at all. Just musing here, and wondered why they couldn't have taken their week's trip during half term maybe...

They really can’t win, can they? They’re in Scotland because they’re on official duties, ie at work. Do ordinary people get criticised for not taking their children on business trips?

On one hand they’re idle scroungers who never do a day’s work, on the other they’re given a hard time for doing a week’s work and not taking their kids. I bet if they’d taken them that would have been wrong too.

derxa
It's the use of the word 'there' which is a bit odd

But it's OK for you to talk about 'that there London' ??

Blossom

Read my post. I am not criticising them AT ALL.

I said I was musing and realised they couldn't take them out of school.

You might have called them 'idle scroungers'. I haven't.

But it's OK for you to talk about 'that there London' ?? That's a joke. Scottish people say 'that London' or 'down there' in London when they've never been or that they want to portray it as a scary foreign place.

So you are insulted about the word 'there' and 'up' because you consider it is me talking like Scotland is a foreign country.

Yet it's OK to portray London as 'a scary foreign place' as a joke????

I'll just leave that there

lol its getting silly now.
we even say we are going up town....because we go up a hill lol

@Roussette

So you are insulted about the word 'there' and 'up' because you consider it is me talking like Scotland is a foreign country. Yet it's OK to portray London as 'a scary foreign place' as a joke????

I'll just leave that there

Sorry for the derail on the linguistics of geography. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I blame this on having to endure years of daft questions from English people about Scotland and daft questions from Scottish people about England.

I have nothing to agree to disagree on because I am completely and utterly flummoxed .

My family who lived in Yorkshire always used to say they were coming up to London to see us when they were obviously coming south (and we didn't live in London either). I took Rousette's comment 'up there' at face value as she presumably doesn't live in Scotland - some folk just look for offence.

I suppose it depends how you look at the map.
To me south is down there and scotland is up there.

I've scratched my head and read and re-read and don't understand it at all

Neither do I, but try living in the midlands and it's even worse
Lots south of Watford think we're "the deprived north" and just as many north of Yorkshire consider us "a bunch of southern pansies"

Anyway, sorry ... I know it's a derail ...

@Aspiringmatriarch thanks for reading the article. I think it got lost somewhere in the north/south divide 😂😂

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I've scratched my head and read and re-read and don't understand it at all

Neither do I, but try living in the midlands and it's even worse
Lots south of Watford think we're "the deprived north" and just as many north of Yorkshire consider us "a bunch of southern pansies"

Anyway, sorry ... I know it's a derail ...

It's the 'there' that is annoying. Scotland is not a 'there' We are one country. The Uk. I love Scotland. I'm Scottish but I'm also British. Kate and William going 'up there' as a 'charm offensive' will backfire since it will put people's backs up (on the SNP side). The left in England seem to think good for plucky wee Scotland trying to get independence and rejoin the EU. However you just need to spend 5 minutes on a political thread on Scotsnet to appreciate that some of us loathe the SNP.

[quote smilesy]This article came up on a news feed. I wouldn’t normally quote GQ, but I thought this was an interesting read. Before anyone gets the arse that it’s anti Harry and Meghan, if you read it, it actually provides some insight into why the monarchy still survives today. I will warn that there is the odd side swipe at the Sussexes as a disclaimer, but on the whole it focuses on the monarchy as a whole which is why I am posting it.

www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/meghan-harry-royal-family[/quote]
That’s a very interesting piece and it makes complete sense. Thanks for posting the link.

Scotland is not a 'there'

Everywhere is a 'there'. It just depends where you are! I think you're seeing this through a very particular lens and it's pretty unfair to keep banging on about something so innocuous.

I find it astounding at what some people will take offence to (on MN) in real life people seem to get along with each other so much better....but on here? Jeez it's so uncomfortable to witness the giant chips on peoples shoulders. About anything and everything! And how quick they are the reprimand and pick on posters, without holding back at all.

It used to be the Aibu threads but now it's every topic.

@HeadNorth oh no- we were tourists in Scotland last summer and hoping to do so again this year. Stayed in hotels and left no rubbish

@sunnyblackwidow

I find it astounding at what some people will take offence to (on MN) in real life people seem to get along with each other so much better....but on here? Jeez it's so uncomfortable to witness the giant chips on peoples shoulders. About anything and everything! And how quick they are the reprimand and pick on posters, without holding back at all.

It used to be the Aibu threads but now it's every topic.

I'm sorry to be annoying but this pressed a button. We all get upset at seemingly silly things.

That's fine. Get annoyed about stuff by all means if you have to. But stop directing it at me like I've committed a cardinal sin by saying 'up there' when talking about somewhere more northerly than where I live.

I say it about Tyneside where we have friends, which I have explained on here.
Conversation yesterday "What's the weather like with you up there, it's been awful here"

I. Meant. Nothing. By. It. Whatsoever.

[quote Nishky]@HeadNorth oh no- we were tourists in Scotland last summer and hoping to do so again this year. Stayed in hotels and left no rubbish[/quote]
You will be very very welcome - staying at hotels puts money into the Scottish economy. It is the attack of the campervans who don't stay at designated camp sites that rile. 'Self sufficient' they spend little money, arriving with a full shop and then leave their shit (often quite literally) bestrewn around the NC500 route. It is a real issue and sadly tackling it may mean limiting the right to wild camp we hold so dear.

Personally I think it is possible to prohibit roadside 'camping' while protecting genuine wild camping, but it is very much a live issue 'up here'

@Roussette

That's fine. Get annoyed about stuff by all means if you have to. But stop directing it at me like I've committed a cardinal sin by saying 'up there' when talking about somewhere more northerly than where I live.

I say it about Tyneside where we have friends, which I have explained on here.
Conversation yesterday "What's the weather like with you up there, it's been awful here"

I. Meant. Nothing. By. It. Whatsoever.

there is nothing wrong with saying up there. how can there be, this thread has taken a very strange turn .

@derxa

It is very common, I think most of us would agree that we are not offended and we are all Located up there or down there.This is the first I have heard of anyone being offended at the phrase "up there or down there" I think @derxa was clutching at straws but I may be wrong and it is a sincere reaction. Only on MN I'm not clutching at any straws. It's the use of the word 'there' which is a bit odd. It implies 'other' when we are all part of the UK for now. It's a gut reaction. I don't want independence. It would be an economic disaster.

Other Scots take a different position on independence and also take the view that Scotland and England are indeed different countries with different histories and different legal systems - a point you have yourself made on this thread. So perhaps best not to roast other posters on this issue, which is tangential to the thread?