Harry's latest ventures

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Now being reported in the Daily Express that Harry is working on a new tell all documtary about royal life. This is according to his biographer Angela Levin. And even more disclosures about the royal family are forthcoming. Is this going to go on for years. We shall have to wait and sed. I think its very very wrong of him.

I mean, why bring some poor innocent (?) woman into this shit show if that's how he felt?

@Blossomtoes. Oh yes. I didn’t think of that. Vitiligo is where the skin has lost its pigment so you wouldn’t want to make it lighter. The NHS has this to say:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitiligo/treatment/

[quote Blossomtoes]Skin whitening creams prescribed by doctors are cosmetic. Having discolouration splotches all over yourself can be quite distressing, so it's all really 'cosmetic', it's not necessary per se, except mentally to make the patient feel better about themselves. So, no nice try

So why aren’t they prescription only? There’s no need for them to be available over the counter.

There’s no mention of topical skin lightening creams being used, incidentally. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitiligo[/quote]
I don't know why not. Perhaps accessing through a skin cosmetics company is easier. Perhaps their doctor won't write them a script for it. The poster PinkTonic simply suggested it was racist. All I was doing is suggesting another reason one might access the cream. Reading Michael Jackson's autopsy and his use of skin lightening (bleaching/de-pigmenting) cream for Vitiligo is the first time I had heard of it, I myself had wrongly thought he 'wanted to become white' as many others did, and I learned that he truly did have Vitiligo, and many others (when his condition was doubted) came forward and said they use lightening cream (or De-Pigmenting cream) for their Vitiligo because it's easier and certain types of Vitiligo make lightening the skin easier than darkening it, depending on what parts of the body are affected).

The site you posted does mention skin lightening creams as a use for Vitiligo.
"There is no known cure for vitiligo.[1] For those with light skin, sunscreen and makeup are all that is typically recommended.[1] Other treatment options may include steroid creams or phototherapy to darken the light patches.[2] Alternatively, efforts to lighten the unaffected skin, such as with hydroquinone, may be tried.[2]"

and

" Treatment Edit
There is no cure for vitiligo but several treatment options are available.[1] The best evidence is for applied steroids and the combination of ultraviolet light in combination with creams.[27] Due to the higher risks of skin cancer, the United Kingdom's National Health Service suggests phototherapy be used only if primary treatments are ineffective.[28] Lesions located on the hands, feet, and joints are the most difficult to repigment; those on the face are easiest to return to the natural skin color as the skin is thinner in nature.[1]"

and

"De-pigmenting Edit
In cases of extensive vitiligo the option to de-pigment the unaffected skin with topical drugs like monobenzone, mequinol, or hydroquinone may be considered to render the skin an even color. The removal of all the skin pigment with monobenzone is permanent and vigorous. Sun-safety must be adhered to for life to avoid severe sunburn and melanomas. Depigmentation takes about a year to complete.[28]"

[quote smilesy]@Blossomtoes. Oh yes. I didn’t think of that. Vitiligo is where the skin has lost its pigment so you wouldn’t want to make it lighter. The NHS has this to say:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitiligo/treatment/[/quote]
@smilesy Not true at all. Michael Jackson and many other African Americans use it because it's easier to De-Pigment and thus blend the splotches than darken the whole skin, especially if the entire body is affected. In fact, that is one of the misconceptions about Vitiligo. It often requires De-pigmenting.

Reading Michael Jackson's autopsy and his use of skin lightening (bleaching/de-pigmenting) cream for Vitiligo is the first time I had heard of it, I myself had wrongly thought he 'wanted to become white' as many others did, and I learned that he truly did have Vitiligo, and many others (when his condition was doubted) came forward and said they use lightening cream (or De-Pigmenting cream) for their Vitiligo because it's easier and certain types of Vitiligo make lightening the skin easier than darkening it, depending on what parts of the body are affected).

"Treatment Edit
There is no cure for vitiligo but several treatment options are available.[1] The best evidence is for applied steroids and the combination of ultraviolet light in combination with creams.[27] Due to the higher risks of skin cancer, the United Kingdom's National Health Service suggests phototherapy be used only if primary treatments are ineffective.[28] Lesions located on the hands, feet, and joints are the most difficult to repigment; those on the face are easiest to return to the natural skin color as the skin is thinner in nature.[1]"

and

"De-pigmenting Edit
In cases of extensive vitiligo the option to de-pigment the unaffected skin with topical drugs like monobenzone, mequinol, or hydroquinone may be considered to render the skin an even color. The removal of all the skin pigment with monobenzone is permanent and vigorous. Sun-safety must be adhered to for life to avoid severe sunburn and melanomas. Depigmentation takes about a year to complete.[28]"

@sashagabadon

I don’t think the Queen should remove Harry’s Prince title. It’s his title by birth and belongs to him. It’s sets a precedent that I bet no one in the royal family wants setting least of all William who has 3 titled children. It’s a bit like being a British citizen, you either are one or not ( hence why I disagree with shamina begun citizenship being removed - different obviously) But the dukedom was a wedding present from the Queen not a birthright but it seems a bit off to take back a wedding present imo.

You're mistaken; there has been precedent. " Prince Edward the Prince of Wales" , also renounced/resigned from royal life and duty for love (as did Harry). When he abdicated, not only was he no longer King, he was no longer a Prince. He left Britain under a new lesser title (Duke of Windsor) decided by the new King.

Not surprised. His wife's relationship as broken down with her own family for whatever reason. The is no loyalty to his. Funny how the royals keep quiet, its just the 2 of them dishing the dirt in public and for what, more resentment to follow.

[quote smilesy]@Blossomtoes. Oh yes. I didn’t think of that. Vitiligo is where the skin has lost its pigment so you wouldn’t want to make it lighter. The NHS has this to say:

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitiligo/treatment/[/quote]
@smilesy Your own link says this:

*Depigmentation
Depigmentation may be recommended for adults who have vitiligo on more than 50% of their bodies, although it may not be widely available.

During depigmentation, a lotion is painted on to the normal skin to bleach the remaining pigment and make it the same colour as the depigmented (white) skin. A hydroquinone-based medicine is used, which has to be applied continuously to prevent the skin from re-pigmenting.

Hydroquinone can cause side effects, such as:

redness
itching
stinging
Depigmentation is usually permanent and leaves the skin with no protection from the sun. Re-pigmentation (when the colour returns) can happen, and may differ from your original skin colour. Applying depigmenting treatments in one area of skin can sometimes cause loss of pigmentation in skin on other parts of the body.*

I was reading a piece by the resident psychiatrist in the Times, which was interesting in that he was very cautious about the type of therapy which seeks to find blame. Of course we are all products of our upbringing, but apart from truly dreadful people most parents have done their best. At knocking 40 Prince Harry sounds petulant and immature to be casting around for whose fault everything is.

If I were Meghan I’d be a bit wary that she might at some future point be the focus of his discontent.

Anyone remember in 2003 or 2005 (the last case) or 1993 (first accuser) (I think it was one of those years) when Neverland Ranch was raided by the FBI and the Hydroquinone tubes were found and tendered in the evidence list? People went nuts saying "see? WackoJacko bleaches his skin to be white." He came out and said he had Vitiligo. No one believed him until the autopsy. I can't stand Michael Jackson, just thought he was the most high profile sufferer of the disease I could think of. And that's how I found out skin-bleaching is the number one treatment for African American sufferers of Vitiligo.

@CokeDrinker. Ah yes, I see that in my link now. But I still don’t think P&G Olay products which promote “pink fairness” are aimed at people with vitiligo. And even if, as you say, some people cannot get access to a skin lightening cream any other way than by buying Olay, would these creams not also be available to those who feel pressure to lighten the skin for cosmetic purposes? I was only highlighting this anyway to show the difficulty of holding high ideals and then making deals with large multinationals as I said previously.

You are talking about a completely different product . Those creams remove pigmentation , these creams are ‘lightening’ creams which inhibit melatonin’s effect , these creams are a huge multi billion dollar market .

@Binglebong

I'm just surprised anyone considers Harry an expert on mental health when, despite being in contact with MH charities and having had counselling himself, he felt completely unable to find support for his wife.

Yeah, especially when he, his brother, and brothers wife had all been instrumental in setting up (of sorts) a mental health charity/campaign 🤔🤔 It's just unbelievable!

This is from the NY times. Obviously, it’s not just P&G who are promoting light skin as something to aspire to, but this illustrates why conflicts of interest when dealing with multinationals can be hard to avoid.

www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/business/unilever-jj-skin-care-lightening.html

I don't think for one minute, that Harry would have ever embarked on doing stuff like this,as in constantly divulging private things about the Royal family, had he not married Meghan. I am sure that she is behind all this shocking pattern of behaviour of Harry's. Whether all these writings about his views of his own family, are to make them money, He has just become a big fly in the ointment now.

I feel sorry for them now. They have destroyed the chance at a fresh start before it ever got going. There is no turning back from this. All the high profile people they wish to hobnob with will be aiming to distance themselves as much as possible. If they can backstab their families like this they cant be trusted in very private circles.

Very sad.

The thing is that J&J and Unilever have agreed to stop marketing these products as skin lightening but P&G have doubled down and said that they will continue to operate in this market.

I just would have expected their advisors to realise the incompatibility of forming a relationship with a company marketing skin lightening products whilst complaining, quite rightly, about speculation regarding their own children’s skin tone.

@CokeDrinker

Anyone remember in 2003 or 2005 (the last case) or 1993 (first accuser) (I think it was one of those years) when Neverland Ranch was raided by the FBI and the Hydroquinone tubes were found and tendered in the evidence list? People went nuts saying "see? WackoJacko bleaches his skin to be white." He came out and said he had Vitiligo. No one believed him until the autopsy. I can't stand Michael Jackson, just thought he was the most high profile sufferer of the disease I could think of. And that's how I found out skin-bleaching is the number one treatment for African American sufferers of Vitiligo.

Olay do not aim their skin lightening creams at people with vitiligo, stop scrabbling around trying to defend the indefensible. It’s a multi million pound industry based on promoting light skin as better.

Also deforestation, exploitation of palm oil producers, massive polluter.

Remove the Royal Warrant from P&G immediately!

@Rousette the thing is I am trying to have a rational and measured conversation about how not only was this possibly an ill advised association but also about how the poor advice that H& M are getting is impacting their optics .

But any civil discussion seems impossible because even the slightest thought that they might have made any error of judgement however innocently is reduced to a one liner or a slap down.

I think I had better bow out , this issue is important to me and I have acknowledged that others may not feel the same or agree and I am happy to read and debate but I always try to give a measured post in response. Clearly that is not wanted here.

I think people are discussing it on here aren't they? I'm not because I don't know enough about it.

But others are and if it's not in agreement with you, it doesn't mean it isn't discussion.

I was specifically referring to your post at 17.34

And for the record I am the last person who expects people to always agree with me and in my now 18 years on mumsnet I have often changed my mind on subjects and enjoy the debate.

I enjoy the debate too.

I wonder whether it’s not so much the current titles being removed that is the decision being made but future titles that would normally be appropriate for the son/family of the monarch not being given when the time comes for Charles to be king. Whilst the 1917 Letters Patent issued by King George V means Archie and his sister should become HRH Prince/Princess, I’d be surprised if they do. It would be hard to justify a Prince/Princess of the U.K. for children who do not reside in the U.K. and of parents who have resigned from the Royal Family.

@Roussette

Remove the Royal Warrant from P&G immediately!

There are actually a fair few companies that have a royal warrant that I don’t think should, so I’d be happy with that.

I actually think this could be something that William & Kate give a good shake up too. Rewrite the rules and include a tightening up on environmental requirements. It’s made a bit too easy to get one and to keep hold of it at the moment IMO.

Apparently when the Queen dies all the Royal Warrants she’s made become invalid. All 600 odd of them. So it doesn’t look as if the rules need rewriting.