Harry's latest ventures

[Viviennemary]

Now being reported in the Daily Express that Harry is working on a new tell all documtary about royal life. This is according to his biographer Angela Levin. And even more disclosures about the royal family are forthcoming. Is this going to go on for years. We shall have to wait and sed. I think its very very wrong of him.

@Roussette

I wonder what Diana would have made of it

I think she would've supported him for making his own way. Just my opinion of course.

She clearly would have had her own view based on her knowledge of the inner workings of the royal family. Whilst I am sure she would have supported him leaving the royal family, I think most mothers would be concerned at their children falling out with each other.

Diana was also astute and knew how to play the media, so perhaps she would have been able to give advice so that Harry wasn’t in a situation where he was one of the least popular royals. Although I see Diana and Harry to be very similar in personality and temperament so perhaps they would have ended up with some disagreements, but I would be surprised if she supported Harry destructive comments about the monarchy given William’s destiny and that of his children. Surely, as a mother, Diana’s support would also be towards William and his family.

@Toilenstripes

I hope he continues to Lance the boil.

That's not a very apt analogy.

Rather he's picking at a scab so that it never has time to heal.

That's bad for both him and his family.

Goodness knows H&M have some very legitimate issues to be aggrieved about (press intrusion and vile racist reporting) but they both seem determined to forge a path of most destruction.

If reports are true that he was snubbed by some family at the funeral and may not come back for Diana's memorial ceremony in the summer for fear of public reaction what did he expect?

Everyone to welcome him back with tears of joy after an interview that contained outright lies and mis-directions?

They've a beautiful new multi million dollar home, hundred million plus deals with Netflix/Spotify and a new baby on the way.

It really doesn't get better than that.

So why lob public bomb after bomb and then wonder why not everyone believes your narrative?

If you want to been see as credible then you have to start by being credible and that doesn't involve acting in ways that are at cross purpose with your stated aims.

When raising awareness of mental health perhaps be mindful about the impact of what you have to say on the mental health of the people you're talking about?

If you talk about making the world better by compassionate acts then perhaps start acting compassionately and not doing an interview when your GF is in hospital?

They could have achieved everything they have without any of the drama. So it's hard to conclude anything other than either they enjoy it or simply don't care are long as the cash keeps coming.

I really can't fathom why some people seem to excuse some really pretty shoddy behaviour from this couple.

@Roussette

I wonder what Diana would have made of it

I think she would've supported him for making his own way. Just my opinion of course.

I'm sure she would have supported his aims but not how he's gone about it, especially in the way it's damaged his relationship with his brother - I think it's fair to say she would have been very upset by their rift.

I think the RF won't remove their titles as that's probably the only thing stopping H declaring open season on the rest of the family. I wonder what he'd have to say?!

@Forestiere

I think the RF won't remove their titles as that's probably the only thing stopping H declaring open season on the rest of the family. I wonder what he'd have to say?!

HMQ was most likely distracted by an ill and then dying husband to worry about the titles. Whilst them having the titles doesn’t bother me, it does seem at odds with their dislike of the royal family and what it stands for to then insist on using them and being known by them.

What bothers me is that Harry openly dislikes the royal family and wants to be independent, but hasn’t voluntarily renounced his claim to the throne. How can he be truly independent otherwise?

Harry’s collaboration with Oprah begins on Apple on 21 May. I wonder what’s in that.

There were some excellent posts on the previous thread. Someone pointed out that the change in Harry's "recollections" of when he started counselling and how William helped him.

That really nails the issue - the US are patently unaware of the pressure for the half-in/half-out H&M felt entitled to. H&M didn't want to leave, they thought they were forcing the RF into accepting their demands when they did the Canada flounce.

The original plan was Harry said he'd return to the UK once a month.

H&M don't care what the UK think about any of it because they want the big bucks for US market. It plays into his victim narrative that the UK have turned against him. He doesn't care who or what he damages in pursuit of an income to live a Hollywood lifestyle.

• we get US posters on these threads talking about the Queen of England etc so that's the reason the presidency discussion - ie. they're in no position to lecture us with a system that is abhorrent to UK - mixing head of state and running for election etc in one messy show.

Yes there are other systems closer to ours, but the Presidents of these types of places are very underwhelming. Heads of state visiting UK get the pageantry and lots enjoy the spectacle. We don't need to elect interesting/learned people as a Head of State, that's not what is required here.

@Forestiere

I think the RF won't remove their titles as that's probably the only thing stopping H declaring open season on the rest of the family. I wonder what he'd have to say?!

I think the reason they won't remove their titles is because it gives them yet another thing to claim they've been badly treated.

To a degree it feels like H&M are baiting the RF with these revelations in order to provoke such a response - which is exactly why they are wise to simply ignore them.

If being royal is such a poisoned chalice I can't understand why Harry is determined to maintain his royal status and hang on to his titles and keep his place in the line of succession. My opinion is that if nothing is going to change in his approach he should relinquish them voluntarily. If not they need to be removed.

I would so prefer learned, interesting compassionate and balanced people as a Head of state than someone by birthright who might be very unsuitable for the post.

Sod the spectacle, we can still have spectacle, all the pageantry can still carry on.

Remove his titles and Andrew's then!

That won't happen

@Marmaladeagain

I think there's a presumption though that they are "winning" the PR battle in the US.

It's obviously anecdotal, but whilst waiting for a zoom meeting to start with my US colleagues the subject came up and I was actually quite surprised that the OW interview and frankly whole shenanigans doesn't seem to have resonated well with them at all.

It may be because they are East rather than West Coast US (if that's even relevant) but the idea that Americans in general have "bought" their narrative isn't IME correct.

@Roussette

Remove his titles and Andrew's then!

That won't happen

Frankly I'd rather see Andrew lose his titles rather than Harry.

I'd also like to see him hauled over the coals by the FBI.

In addition I'd like an independent forensic financial investigation into how he's amassed a reported £80m personal fortune whilst acting as a U.K. trade ambassador.

Quoting Andrew isn't a "gotcha".

It's perfectly possible to hold the view that he's a pretty repugnant person that got away with far too many transgressions (which reflects poorly on the RF by not reigning him in sooner) whilst also being critical of H&M's behaviour (specifically not leaving the RF but how they went about it).

I appreciate your post @DeRigueurMortis

[quote DeRigueurMortis]@Marmaladeagain

I think there's a presumption though that they are "winning" the PR battle in the US.

It's obviously anecdotal, but whilst waiting for a zoom meeting to start with my US colleagues the subject came up and I was actually quite surprised that the OW interview and frankly whole shenanigans doesn't seem to have resonated well with them at all.

It may be because they are East rather than West Coast US (if that's even relevant) but the idea that Americans in general have "bought" their narrative isn't IME correct. [/quote]
DeRigueurThere was a poll carried out in US just after Oprah interview, not sure if there has been once since.:

today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2021/03/19/meghan-harry-oprah-favorability-poll

@StormzyinaTCup

Thank you for that.

Seems like my anecdotal experience was fairly representative then.

I agree that it hasn't, in fact, been bought on the whole by the US in the way that our friends on these boards would like us to believe.

However, I don't think H&M like to hear hard truth or the word "no", so will be treated with kid gloves by those trying to explain that things aren't panning out. Harry might think it is working out just dandy for him. They'll focus their energies on the saying the right things to appeal those groups of people etc.

One of my dc's friends is in military and says general chat is Harry is....., well best not to repeat - but not held in high esteem, shall we say.

I guess a bit of a double bluff : H says we've got loads of support in the US and behaves in a way that we think Californians might like (oversharing), hoping that the RF might think - oh we better get Harry exactly what he wants because he is a "danger" to how UK is viewed around the world (ie the poster claiming UK is a laughing stock earlier).

However, the UK won't be giving into H's demands. H will carry on trying to get a reaction - damaging his own reputation, not the UK's.

@Forestiere

I think the RF won't remove their titles as that's probably the only thing stopping H declaring open season on the rest of the family. I wonder what he'd have to say?!

I read an opinion somewhere that the Queen would not remove the titles as there was a concern that, if Harry were to outlive his usefulness and be discarded, it would make a return to his family more difficult. No idea if there is anything to that but it's a possibility...

Weird.
I've got a lot of American friends. They love M&H and think our loss is their gain

So there you go

Different opinions

However, the UK won't be giving into H's demands. H will carry on trying to get a reaction - damaging his own reputation, not the UK's.

I agree and it's actually very sad.

Both individually and as a couple I think they have the potential to use their influence/platform to great effect.

Instead it feels like they are just lashing out and wasting the opportunity to build a legacy they could be proud of in favour of "venting" about how they've been treated from a position of great privilege.

It's not a good look and they need to realise sharpish that those $$$ deals will dry up pretty quickly if their approval ratings keep dropping - because that's the game they are playing now.

Being financially independent via media deals also means you need to understand your "power base" and that fundamentally means people not just being interested in them for the car crash value but actually liking and respecting them.

Diana would absolutely not have let this happen. She may have operated differently to the established monarchy but the Spencer’s have long felt themselves to be better than the royals, not just German blow ins but ancient English aristocrats . She was knee deep in the system on both sides of her family, her priority would have been to maximise her influence and that means the brothers together and no direct criticism of the Crown.

@Roussette

Weird. I've got a lot of American friends. They love M&H and think our loss is their gain

So there you go

Different opinions

Yeah of course 😂

We have US and Canadian family and close friends onthe West coast, none are very interested in H&M and none think anyone else is really in the US either. Australian friends much more vocal about him being a whinger.

I think Harry and Meghan aren't known for taking advice. There may be people around them suggesting they focus on their future, growing family and life in California rather than burning bridges and revealing their resentments, but it is clear they are not listening to them.

@MarthaJonesPhone

Don't understand your post, sorry