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Harry's latest ventures

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Viviennemary · 15/05/2021 18:23

Now being reported in the Daily Express that Harry is working on a new tell all documtary about royal life. This is according to his biographer Angela Levin. And even more disclosures about the royal family are forthcoming. Is this going to go on for years. We shall have to wait and sed. I think its very very wrong of him.

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CallmeHendricks · 17/05/2021 20:50

"Surely these are things you shouldnt have 'learn' not to do?"
Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you? But I was trying to look on the bright side.

"They were criticised to the hilt, left and came out on top."
Well, that's a matter of opinion. For me, I don't know how they sleep at night. And anyway, it's early days. Time will tell how all this over-sharing and ill-advised opinion-giving will pan out.

The3rdMrsdeWinter · 17/05/2021 20:53

An American told me a few months ago Harry and Meghan would be huge celebrities when they moved to the US

And that's something to be admired? Like the Kardashians?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/05/2021 20:58

He needs to remember what he's said, but it doesn't suit his narrative

I suspect it comes back to the "my truth" thing, where the truth becomes anything the speaker wants it to be and listeners are expected to swallow it wholesale

Odd, really, that some are prepared to do exactly that

Gladimnotcampinginthisweather · 17/05/2021 20:59

I read that the so called A Listers would gradually distance themselves from them if they continue in the same vein. I shouldn't think anyone dare trust them. Sad

Blossomtoes · 17/05/2021 21:02

@Gladimnotcampinginthisweather

I read that the so called A Listers would gradually distance themselves from them if they continue in the same vein. I shouldn't think anyone dare trust them. Sad
The A listers seem to have already deserted them. The Hollywood royalty that turned up to their wedding are very quiet.
pinkmagnolias · 17/05/2021 21:03

The Hollywood royalty that turned up to their wedding are very quiet.

Don’t be silly. What do you want the Hollywood royalty to say exactly?

randomkey123 · 17/05/2021 21:11

Thing is, they're now getting desperate as the money hasn't rolled in like they thought it would. They're rumoured to be living at Soho House, not the Montecito McMansion as they don't have anything like that sort of money. There is a great long running thread on another forum about their financial situation.

He's a former member of the BRF, and she's a C list cable show actress. Quite why they imagine that anyone wants to hear their "woe is me" voices beggars belief.

I think an announcement will come any day soon from The Firm.

CallmeHendricks · 17/05/2021 21:21

@randomkey123, I don't believe any of that for one second, I'm afraid.
It sounds like wishful thinking on some people's parts.

DeRigueurMortis · 17/05/2021 21:33

[quote CallmeHendricks]@randomkey123, I don't believe any of that for one second, I'm afraid.
It sounds like wishful thinking on some people's parts.[/quote]

Agree.

The Netflix and Spotify deals were announced by the not just by H&M but by the companies themselves and they will not have been for peanuts.

They also paid off the £2m (I think it was) for Frogmore - that's hardly small change and not suggestive that they're struggling for ready cash presently.

Equally if their living arrangements are not as suggested I think the paparazzi who've pictured Harry arriving home in the US after the funeral would have publicised his change of address - especially when the nearest Soho House's are in LA and Malibu (some distance from Montecito).

RubyViolet · 17/05/2021 21:34

@Gladimnotcampinginthisweather

I read that the so called A Listers would gradually distance themselves from them if they continue in the same vein. I shouldn't think anyone dare trust them. Sad
I would distance myself from anyone who would throw their own family under the bus for money. Let alone sell his own Mother’s funeral out. I don’t think he realises how thoroughly he is burning his bridges and for what ? He doesn’t need more money surely. I think he is being used . And l am not talking about Meghan necessarily. I think the American media moguls will squeeze every bit of value out of him until it’s only the peel and pips left. He is in the glow of being feted and listened to. His ego has been fed, he is being made to feel like he is incredibly important. Meanwhile he is making a fortune for the streamers and Producers that pay and carry his content. Once they are done with him it won’t be pretty.
StartupRepair · 17/05/2021 21:45

I do feel sorry for him actually. It will be a long way back to a relationship with his family. I think Zara should have a firm word with him. She seems to be pretty grounded.

Lockupyourbiscuits · 17/05/2021 21:56

Anyone who tries to have a word will be part of the problem and push him further in the other direction
I just hope he doesn’t put himself on a parenting pedestal because it can topple quite badly when they reach the teenage years And he might be in for a rude awakening

CallmeHendricks · 17/05/2021 21:58

A number of people have already tried to "have a word" with him, and he's frozen them all out.
I wonder what Earl Spencer's view on this is. There's certainly no love lost between him and the Royal Family, but I don't suppose he'd be in favour of Harry and William being estranged. That would have broken Diana's heart, I think.

Blossomtoes · 17/05/2021 22:16

What do you want the Hollywood royalty to say exactly?

I don’t want them to say anything. I merely pointed out that they don’t seem to be falling over each other to offer support.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/05/2021 22:20

DeRigueurMortis I agree about taking "living at Soho House" with a pinch of salt, but wouldn't be too sure about the payback for Frogmore Cottage

It it after all RF property and it happened at a time H&M were getting a lot of heat about the costs. Since they were still here then, it wouldn't surprise me to learn Charles ie: we actually paid - not that we'd ever hear about it with the Duchy finances being as opaque as they are

RubyViolet · 17/05/2021 22:24

Who watches stuff like this anyway ?
In the middle of a pandemic the last thing l want to see is privileged people talking about their issues.
This is so misjudged.
I love Lady Gaga, but l feel more for a single Mum at a food bank or a family who couldn’t visit their elders in a care home.
What have we become ? This naval gazing is all wrong and diverting our gaze from the real people suffering in our society.

derxa · 17/05/2021 22:33

@RubyViolet

Who watches stuff like this anyway ? In the middle of a pandemic the last thing l want to see is privileged people talking about their issues. This is so misjudged. I love Lady Gaga, but l feel more for a single Mum at a food bank or a family who couldn’t visit their elders in a care home. What have we become ? This naval gazing is all wrong and diverting our gaze from the real people suffering in our society.
You're right. We've lost our grip on humanity.
DeRigueurMortis · 17/05/2021 22:36
  • I would distance myself from anyone who would throw their own family under the bus for money. Let alone sell his own Mother’s funeral out. I don’t think he realises how thoroughly he is burning his bridges and for what ? He doesn’t need more money surely.*

Ok so here is where I have some sympathy for them.

Their estimated net worth pre-exit was £35m.

It sounds a lot - well it is a lot - but not in the context of their plans to re-locate to the US.

It's also worth bearing in mind that it's highly unlikely that the bulk of this wealth was in liquid form and easily accessible.

As a working royal H didn't need it. He was entitled to grace and favour homes, £250k a year roughly from the sovereign grant, his security cost paid by the taxpayer and a £2m a year allowance from the Duchy of Cornwall to fund the expenses and living costs of being a working royal. So his wealth was highly likely placed in long term investments.

When they announced their split they said they'd forgo the grant, pay back Frogmore renovations but keep the free security and Duchy Money.

The thing they hasn't counted on/thought through (because they did a fait accompli rather than thrash out the details in private) was that security provision in the US would have been prohibitively expensive and The Met (not the RF) made clear they would not be providing it under those circumstances (titles being irrelevant in how they assess security requirements - risk is the key criteria - and their ability to provide it effectively and at and an appropriate cost).

In addition Charles made clear that the DoC allowance was there to finance the expenses of being a working royal - not just "pocket money" to spend as they saw fit. Fundamentally if they weren't doing the job they were not entitled to it.

Now of course at this point they could have revised their plans and agree to step down but remain in the U.K. were security could have been maintained and live at Frogmore.

However they didn't want that - so they had to find a find a way to not only pay for Frogmore but also accommodation and security - not "in time as they established financial independence" but very quickly before they officially stepped down because £35m, even if they could access it wasn't going to last very long after you've spent half of it on a new secure home and are self funding £1m a year 24h security plus other living expenses.

I think from the OW interview that both of them feel very aggrieved/angry that their demands weren't met.

So they start negotiating with Netflix/Spotify - who frankly will know they need the money.

Whilst much has been made of the value of the deals £100/25m respectively what's not clear is the terms.

We've frankly no idea how much pressure is being put on the pair of them to provide "compelling" viewing and "share" exclusive insights into royal life but you don't that sort of money for nothing.

Fundamentally I fear that whilst they may well have "found freedom" from one "gilded cage" they've simply traded it for another.

The only difference is that the people with the keys are no longer the "men in grey suits" of the "The Firm"/royal protocol/tradition but corporate sharks and cut throat corporate greed.

lightand · 17/05/2021 22:36

Could he be having a breakdown, I am left wondering.

smilesy · 17/05/2021 22:37

@RubyViolet. Exactly so.

DeRigueurMortis · 17/05/2021 22:40

@Blossomtoes

What do you want the Hollywood royalty to say exactly?

I don’t want them to say anything. I merely pointed out that they don’t seem to be falling over each other to offer support.

Not especially true if you look at the trailer for the new documentary.

I think we can count on Oprah, Lady Gaga and Glen Close (to name just a few contributors) as being hardly "B" listers.

Though to be fair I presume this was made before the OW/Cordan/Dax interviews so I'm not sure if that's changed perception for any of those people.

OverByYer · 17/05/2021 22:41

@DeRigueurMortis good post

DeRigueurMortis · 17/05/2021 22:43

@RubyViolet

Who watches stuff like this anyway ? In the middle of a pandemic the last thing l want to see is privileged people talking about their issues. This is so misjudged. I love Lady Gaga, but l feel more for a single Mum at a food bank or a family who couldn’t visit their elders in a care home. What have we become ? This naval gazing is all wrong and diverting our gaze from the real people suffering in our society.

I agree wholeheartedly.

I don't think anyone would say that fame/wealth make you immune to suffering but they do provide a very fat cushion to land on when you fall.

CauliflowerCheese30 · 17/05/2021 22:44

@RubyViolet

Who watches stuff like this anyway ? In the middle of a pandemic the last thing l want to see is privileged people talking about their issues. This is so misjudged. I love Lady Gaga, but l feel more for a single Mum at a food bank or a family who couldn’t visit their elders in a care home. What have we become ? This naval gazing is all wrong and diverting our gaze from the real people suffering in our society.
Totally agree
CallmeHendricks · 17/05/2021 22:46

Anyone else thinking it would make a refreshing change to see a celebrity who hasn't got some traumatic life experience to share with the world? Is there anyone who could come out and say, "Actually, I had a lovely childhood, with brilliantly supportive parents and I'm very happy."

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