Harry's latest ventures

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Now being reported in the Daily Express that Harry is working on a new tell all documtary about royal life. This is according to his biographer Angela Levin. And even more disclosures about the royal family are forthcoming. Is this going to go on for years. We shall have to wait and sed. I think its very very wrong of him.

I feel like he was saying bonkers as in "I don't know much about this but what I do know has blown my mind" rather than "the first amendment is a complete mess". Unfortunate choice of word I guess if that's not how it was received.

Hopefully, but I don't think it comes across as "wow your First Amendment is fabulous". I can understand why some Americans might be upset at someone in the British Royal Family criticising the BoR, I mean it was written just after they had fought a war to get away from the likes of him 😂

I think he means intergenerational trauma.

The word 'bonkers' may have a worse meaning in the US. Here is it a gentle sort of 'it's all a bit mad, isn't it Ted?'
Harry is falling into that trap famous people do where they have an inflated sense of their own significance.
A fairly bland observation is suddenly seen as a message from the Oracle.
You see it with famous women who have a baby. It's like they are the first person to ever have a baby. And the world goes "yawn that is neither deep nor insightful, it's just that you think it means more because you have 112k follower on Twitter".

I've got a theory that Harry is deliberately trying to bring down the royal family, not as a spiteful thing, but to "free" his family. I'm sure they've all had conversations about how irritating various aspects of being royal are. Maybe he thinks that he's escaped but they've all got Stockholm syndrome about it & need him to shed light on how awful being royal really is so they can all be liberated.

He used to be my favourite of them all & I so wanted Meghan to be his happily-ever-after. There's a part of me that's still clinging on to the illusion the royal PR created & really doesn't want to see the person he's showing us he is.

I would be surprised if these threads were more than say 20 different people arguing back and forward under loads of different names.

It would be interesting to know this info about both sides of the debate, which posters are in fact the same person

Ohforarainyday, "MN is a very right wing British forum infamous for having a racism problem, which creates a massive bias."

You whaaat? I totally disagree. MN is renowned for being left wing!
And it is not "infamous for having a racism problem," either. It is robustly moderated, by MNHQ and by posters, unlike many other sites.

Harry is falling into that trap famous people do where they have an inflated sense of their own significance. A fairly bland observation is suddenly seen as a message from the Oracle

I was about to write the same, but then that's what happens when someone's surrounded by folk paid to tell them how absolutely wonderful and totally right they are at all times, along with a skilled PR machine to smooth over the inevitable stupidities

In fairness that's not actually Harry's fault - after all he didn't invent the system he was born into - but equally it's not much use expecting self reflection from the product of such a system

ohforarainyday Why are your posts always so aggressive? This is a discussion forum (and is by no means the worst one out there by a long chalk). If you don't like the way it's run or have issue with the MNHQ talk guidelines then take it up with them. In the nicest possible way if you don't like the forum model and have such low opinions of the people who post here, then why do it? No one is forcing you to post.

For people who are in the know about American politics, would people be able to explain:

1. how damaging is what he said (or what people are claiming he said/means) to Americans?
2. Does it attack a certain belief system (Republic, Democrat, Left Wing, Right Wing etc) or would it attack all American people’s value and beliefs

Basically what I’m asking is, despite his meaning, how much has he ballsed up with his views or incorrect wording? Will the average American shrug it off or will there be outrage?

You have an extremely low opinion of everyone rainy and also think you know people’s motivations. You really don’t.

Yeah ohforarainyday, chill out. Leave the thread if it's winding you up. Go have a cup of tea or a coke or something and relax.

posting multiple times in the same thread under various different usernames to create the impression Meghan is more widely hated than she is - MNHQ have confirmed this) and
Ok rainy I’ll report my own post here and ask MN if that’s the case as U understand sock puppets are banned. So we shall see if you’re correct in at least one of your many accusations of MN being racist?

@SnottyLottie
Hopefully some Americans will be along with better info but I think it has the potential to offend everyone. Americans died to gain independence from the British crown. They adopted a Constitution, which has freedom as a central idea, and the First Amendment is all about various freedoms. It's really fundamental to the idea of what America is and stands for. They are proud of it, I think. So criticism of it by someone from the ruling family of the old colonial power could definitely be taken as more than just a clumsy blunder.

Ok I’ve reported that multiple sock puppets according to rainy and asked MN to advise if they have told rainy this as my understanding is sock puppets would be banned.

There was lots of sock puppeting going on last year. I know that. And lots of NCing, and that's happening now, I don't doubt. No idea on sock puppeting, I'm hoping posters wouldn't be so stupid to be honest.

Will the average American shrug it off or will there be outrage?

I'm not American though I spend a huge amount of time there, and obviously none of us can speak for everyone, but IME the more informed are very keen on their Constitution and pretty well versed in at least the basics of what it contains

It follows from this that they're not keen on ill judged criticism from the ignorant, especially from outsiders who are perceived to be pampered, unaccountable and lacking in self awareness

Harry's stupid remark won't caue any actual "damage" though; he doesn't matter enough for that, and the offence he's caused will just be added to the pile of evidence of how unsuitable he is for ... well, anything really

And yes persistent sock puppets would be banned, but that wouldn't stop them re-registering countless times. Which is what happened. No idea if it is now!
I do have my suspicions occasionally to be honest. But I've not got insight into it, so dont know.

I think this is what was bound to happen when Harry was no longer protected from his own actions by the Palace PR machine. He found it very restrictive when he was here, but it did at least minimise the fallout from ill-advised opinions being aired.
What, if any, damage he has done to his own brand remains to be seen, but I sincerely hope that it won't reflect badly on the Queen.

Will the average American shrug it off or will there be outrage?

Arguably, it's the most important concept for humanity, which is why it's first in that particular constitution. That should have given him a warning. If he had said that about the Second Amendment, then he could have got away with it, possibly. He's making us (British people) look bad by association. He needs to stick to his personal feelings only or say nothing at all. If he wants to contribute to the social, political and economic life of a country, he needs a crash course in these subjects.

Ted Cruz doesn’t like Harry’s First Amendment comments.

I think the problem he has had, and will have, is that a) being Royal he was told what to say and everyone hung onto his every word and laughed at his jokes b) now that he is no longer part of The Firm, he thinks he can say what he likes but now not everyone hangs onto his every word and his witty asides are pulled apart and analysed by both sides.

@PitchImperfect

I've got a theory that Harry is deliberately trying to bring down the royal family, not as a spiteful thing, but to "free" his family. I'm sure they've all had conversations about how irritating various aspects of being royal are. Maybe he thinks that he's escaped but they've all got Stockholm syndrome about it & need him to shed light on how awful being royal really is so they can all be liberated.

He used to be my favourite of them all & I so wanted Meghan to be his happily-ever-after. There's a part of me that's still clinging on to the illusion the royal PR created & really doesn't want to see the person he's showing us he is.

This is how I feel too.

Ted Cruz!

I don't think anyone's worried about what he thinks, given he was one of the Senators leading the insurrection on 6th January with a speech that morning calling the election 'rigged' .

If that is true, IF, then Harry has a monumental Saviour Complex.

Harry is going to get dragged into the US culture wars if he is not careful ( and does not get better advice)
It’s exactly why we don’t know the queens opinion on anything and we don’t want to know either.
I’m also quite shocked at Harry’s lack of education . You would think he’d be a little schooled in US politics/ history ( or would read it himself) and what not to say particularly when a guest newly arrived in the country. It’s just rude apart from anything else.
Maybe he needs to go and see Hamilton
Admittedly that’s where I got some of my US history lessons from