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Positive thread on Meghan again

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Mummy194 · 07/05/2021 19:16

Now that at the other knock off MN chat has been shut down, we seem to have an influx of those posters on here with new or encouraged accounts.

For those who are not interested in trawling through negative post after the other. You can come on here for positive news about Meghan and Harry.

Why not, everyone else seems to be viewed positively, without 'cynicism'. I don't mind taking this at snail pace, we just post on the good things about H&M, they sure seem to be doing a lot of that lately, and it's really buried under the negativity on MN.

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Marmaladeagain · 16/05/2021 18:31

I'm wondering if those posters dismissing the context of SA don't have any idea of the problems within that country and see "Africa" through their own lens of racism ie. famine.

It's seems facile to dismiss the abhorrent juxtaposition of the Meghan interview in Johannesburg with Tom Bradby against the backdrop of the complex and violent problems South Africa faces.

Those same posters seem to drop in it's racist to worry about "poor" people in Africa as if their only reference of Africa themselves is through Band Aid type events which are now seen negatively. Yet again, a lack of any depth of understanding of context is at play.

Angiedx · 16/05/2021 18:33

Janiie

Was she really ?

It shows how differently we view things.
I can recall early on hearing and seeing the unfair criticism, the easy acceptance of negative stories without regard for evidence, the back patting of oh how tolerant we are as a society.

It is this which points to a probation/ tentative acceptance.

CokeDrinker · 16/05/2021 18:34

FGS @Lucaslucas1612 You truly think you are the font of wisdom don't you, and that you are the bringer of new light, information and arguments that I've never heard of before, don't you? I hate to tell you, but I, along with others on here, have heard and rebutted every single one of your 'points' over and over and over and over again to at least 50+ other posters, you are not bringing anything new. That, is the point.

FGS coke you really are determined to miss the point of everyone's post aren't you? This is the last time I will engage with you as you just don't seem to want to understand what others are pointing out.

A) use private jets continuously to get around and go on holidays whilst telling others we all need to make changes, we are all responsible for the climate emergency. Saying that they have planted some trees so it's ok.
They have rarely used private jets, but in the most memorable case I believe you are talking about, they were already there and Elton John gave them a lift back in his private jet. See, what you are doing is putting them against impossible hurdles they cannot pass. You are playing at ideological purism just to point score. No one could possibly pass your test. What you are suggesting is no one should advocate for the environment, because there is not one single person that can be 100% ideological purist in practice - not even Greta; not even the Attenboroughs. Obviously, due to the position Meghan (and Harry) holds, it is not possible for them to take public transport. So they fail at the first hurdle. Your position of ideological purism is dangerous, and would see no one advocate for the environment because they could never pass your impossible hurdle test, and the natural result of that is people won't want to be criticised, so that means we would have less/nobody advocating for the environment. Your position is opportunistic at it's best, ideological purism and dangerous at it's worst. No one can be 100% pure. All we can do, is advocate the best we can, and even someone needing to take private jets is better to advocate than not advocate. No one can pass your impossible ideological purist high jump. No one. No one on this earth. But the solution isn't for those who are in the position to advocate to be silenced by the masses like yourself. It is for those who can lend a voice - knowing we are all fallible, to do so as much as they can.

B) complain about being treated unfairly and having lies said about them and having no right to reply. Then doing a very public interview saying all sorts of criticisms about the British press, the RF and 'the firm'.
The RF do indeed have the right to reply. They always have. The Palace has the right to make Official Statements about anything, at any time. If they choose not to, that's their choice. However they have always had the right of reply. As Harry has said and indeed backed up by other journos, the RF have galas and dinners with the press and have and are able to influence or 'bury' stories. A British journo on a previous Harry thread has confirmed this. However, when Harry and Meghan were working members of the RF, they had to run everything by the Queen, or The Palace. They had no right of reply, unless the Queen gave permission. And the Queen can authorise any statement she wishes. Stories have been rebutted before by The Palace.

C) complain that the RF are racist and they have been singled out and treated badly by them and the press and the British public for the colour of her and her sons skin but then sign a contract with P & Q.
This really shows how desperate and petty you are being here. Not withstanding the fact that the Queen herself has a contract with P & G (which I bet you either didn't even know about until this thread, or didn't care), a skin cosmetics company has nothing to do with racism, any more than skin tanning companies or solariums have to do with racism. It is a desperate reach and reflects very poorly on you. We don't know the reason every user chooses the creams. The point is that skin whitening in itself is not a bad thing. Only people who need a reason to nitpick will grasp at that. Is it possible people who want white skin will use it? Sure. Just as people who want darker skin will buy fake tan. Or use tanning beds. It's a product. If people choose to be whiter or darker in skin tone, that's their choice. It doesn't have to mean racism or anything deeper than what it is.

D) say they are being hounded by the press and have no privacy etc so we re moving and stepping down from the RF. fair enough. Then use their titles as much as they can to further their own causes, do high profile interviews, sign tv deals etc but don't want their dc pictured going to school.
This myth of 'having no privacy' has been debunked to death on here. Nowhere did Harry or Meghan say they wanted privacy as a reason for moving. They never mentioned privacy. What they said they wanted was to be able to have some control over the narrative (a previously mentioned, everything must be okayed by the Queen), and the timing, and they wanted to escape the daily grind of the British press. At no stage have they said privacy was a reason.

You see, I didn't miss any 'point', because you never made any point, to begin with. I have been doing this for awhile and I have seen your talking points at least 600+ times on this forum alone. You seem to think you were the first to bring up these.....talking points. I and many others have seen these same talking points over and over and over and rebutted them over and over and over. I can't miss a point, when nothing you have provided is a point. Fellow posters and I have seen it all before, you seem to think you're the first one, you're presenting something new, and I just missed it. I didn't. You added no points, all you've added is false claims, half truths and distortions and in a couple of places, outright fabrications. Nothing you've said is new. I didn't miss any point. You never had a point to begin with. You've missed our points, our rebuttals, and our explanations for why your assumptions are wrong.

Angiedx · 16/05/2021 18:39

Marmalade

As said before to reduce SA citizens to merely the sum of the problems faced by their country is dismissive at best and insulting at worst.

Marmaladeagain · 16/05/2021 18:42

Grin funny comment, as by missing the point, you prove my point. Grin

CokeDrinker · 16/05/2021 18:42

@StormzyinaTCup

Even a woman on here in a controlling relationship is better off than the proverbial starving in Africa and the dead in India or those in Gaza. Every thread on here could be compared. But it's only Meghan/Harry that are. If you aren't going to tell the controlled wife living in the safety of London that she is lucky she isn't 'starving in Africa', is lucky 'she isn't in Gaza', or is lucky she 'isn't dying from the pandemic', then there is absolutely no reason to bring it up regarding Meghan/Harry.

The point I’m trying to make, and I’m now questioning if you really are interested in it, is they were actually in SA and would have spent a large part of their tour seeing the scale of poverty with their own eyes, so their comment at that particular time was inappropriate and I have said so, in the same way that I would say ‘give your head a wobble’ in the example I gave up thread. It would be odd if I posted about poverty anywhere/everywhere if the common theme was not SA.

But she didn't say it TO the people! It was an OFF-INTERVIEW question. You seem to be taking the extremist position that she cannot answer an offside question, as a human being, and you are being rather extremist about it. You don't seem to get my point. You have an absolutist she-should-not-answer-any-question-about-any-pain-other-than-SA problems viewpoint. I disagree. The comment was off-side, off-interview, and she was asked it, she had a very human moment and she answered. It is nitpicking to attack her for that.
StormzyinaTCup · 16/05/2021 18:43

@Aspiringmatriarch

I hope you wouldn't tell someone to give their head a wobble if they were asked how they were and had an emotional reaction because clearly, they weren't ok. It's not like Tom Brady asked Meghan about poverty in SA and she said "who cares about that, let's talk about my problems". Honestly, such mean-spirited griping. He asked if she was ok. Sometimes if you're feeling low, a question like that can catch you off guard.
Do you actually properly digest what I say in my posts?

I said in my post and quite specifically, in relation to my example up thread about the woman on holiday, that yes I would tell her to ‘give her head a wobble’ and I’d feel quite ok about doing so. You have surmised from this that it would also be my stock answer to everything else.

People are just tying themselves in knots now.

CokeDrinker · 16/05/2021 18:45

@Aspiringmatriarch

I hope you wouldn't tell someone to give their head a wobble if they were asked how they were and had an emotional reaction because clearly, they weren't ok. It's not like Tom Brady asked Meghan about poverty in SA and she said "who cares about that, let's talk about my problems". Honestly, such mean-spirited griping. He asked if she was ok. Sometimes if you're feeling low, a question like that can catch you off guard.
Exactly. But these people just don't see it. Or refuse to see it. They refuse to consider the offside human issue. They just refuse to see reason.
SueSaid · 16/05/2021 18:50

'He asked if she was ok. Sometimes if you're feeling low, a question like that can catch you off guard.'

Oh purleeease. Off guard my arse. It was all clearly orchestrated and rehearsed.

amusedtodeath1 · 16/05/2021 18:54

I honestly don't think it was Janiie, I think she was overwhelmed and replied as best she could.

Marmaladeagain · 16/05/2021 18:57

TBF Tom Bradby is very amateur for a supposed professional. He presents serious news events in the style of "You've Been Framed" etc.

So if M took his advice that it was a good idea to go with that angle whilst on a royal trip, she'd be right to be angry with him.

However, they seem to still be good friends which makes me wonder if it was her that wanted to go with it in the SA garden.

If not, I'm sure she would have binned Bradby by now - I wouldn't trust his judgment - have you seen the Genoa Bridge collapse he presented as if was a hilarious spectacle to gawp at?

CokeDrinker · 16/05/2021 18:58

@JaniieJones

'He asked if she was ok. Sometimes if you're feeling low, a question like that can catch you off guard.'

Oh purleeease. Off guard my arse. It was all clearly orchestrated and rehearsed.

It clearly wasn't, anyone can see that, and you would admit it if you were genuine. But you've proven they you only wish to see what suits your agenda. Logic and reason is not something you're open to.
Lucaslucas1612 · 16/05/2021 18:58

@Aspiringmatriarch

I hope you wouldn't tell someone to give their head a wobble if they were asked how they were and had an emotional reaction because clearly, they weren't ok. It's not like Tom Brady asked Meghan about poverty in SA and she said "who cares about that, let's talk about my problems". Honestly, such mean-spirited griping. He asked if she was ok. Sometimes if you're feeling low, a question like that can catch you off guard.
So we are thinking this question was completely off the cuff and took MM by surprise? It was thought up randomly as part of a chat outside of the official promotion. If that was the case then I guess she couldn't win whatever she said.

Or did it come about through other chats about how they were feeling and was in the context of this. A question which had be Pre approved and prepared for before the cameras started rolling? I find that hard to believe. I think the majority of interview questions are pre-approved and their are no surprises.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/05/2021 19:05

Stormzy, your whole point was confusing(to me anyway). You think it was inappropriate to talk about their problems while in SA but make a comparison to a woman complaining about her gluten-free diet (while also, confusingly, on holiday in SA). I apologise that it's apparently only the theoretical GF-diet woman that you'd tell to give her head a wobble. Since these are two quite different scenarios I'm not even sure why you have to bring GF-free woman into it. A general point about appropriateness? I don't know, you've lost me tbh. 🤷‍♀️
Maybe we should let this one go as I have a feeling we could carry on at cross purposes for a while!

Lockupyourbiscuits · 16/05/2021 19:05

Moving on ...
Does anyone think perhaps it was Harry that was the cause of Meghan s fall out with her dad and pressured her to go non contact ?
He was the one with the big problem with paparazzi , Meghan didn’t seem to have a problem with them prior to meeting Harry.
Disclaimer ..
Just musing
Not necessarily my opinion
Would prefer Pepsi Sipper person not to respond as she or he is a bit scary

SueSaid · 16/05/2021 19:06

'If not, I'm sure she would have binned Bradby by now - I wouldn't trust his judgment - have you seen the Genoa Bridge collapse he presented as if was a hilarious spectacle to gawp at?'

Noooo really? I'll have too Google that.

Marmaladeagain · 16/05/2021 19:07

very interesting point there biscuits...I don't buy H's a victim at all in all of this, so yes interesting point.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/05/2021 19:09

Whether it was pre-approved or not, her reaction seemed genuine to me. But I don't think there's much point in discussing it further. Hopefully we can get back to the positive theme of the thread!

Marmaladeagain · 16/05/2021 19:11

Yes I was watching live at the time (a very, very rare event and must have just turned over but was stunned by his presentation). So he said along the lines before the advertisement break "ever wondered what a bridge collapse looks like? - stay tuned til after the break" kind of thing....

I was stunned and did notice there were complaints made. Has to be thought of in the context if actually happening at the time and not a retelling of a past event - so real people/real time etc.

I wasn't surprised as he generally presents in that style - I'm sure he's a thoroughly nice chap and all that (actually know someone who worked with him, so can vouch he's a thoroughly nice chap) however, not professional IMO.

Marmaladeagain · 16/05/2021 19:11

oh sorry I'm on the wrong thread, if this is the positive one - I'll get my coat...

amusedtodeath1 · 16/05/2021 19:11

Her Dad's another one, I think he was genuinely overwhelmed at the thought of going to the wedding and was so worried about how he looked in paparazzi shots that he felt he wanted a better image. He was wrong and he realised this quite quickly, then he really couldn't face meeting the RF and the stress made him Ill. His behaviour since are the actions of a desperate man. Still wrong of course.

I don't know what Harry's opinion was or if he encouraged her either way, but I don't blame her for being mad at him at all, especially since he just won't shut up.

CallmeHendricks · 16/05/2021 19:12

I think a few of you are forgetting that Meghan is a professional actress whose admitted claim to fame was to be able to squeeze out a tear on demand.

Aspiringmatriarch · 16/05/2021 19:13

@Lockupyourbiscuits

Moving on ... Does anyone think perhaps it was Harry that was the cause of Meghan s fall out with her dad and pressured her to go non contact ? He was the one with the big problem with paparazzi , Meghan didn’t seem to have a problem with them prior to meeting Harry. Disclaimer .. Just musing Not necessarily my opinion Would prefer Pepsi Sipper person not to respond as she or he is a bit scary
It's possible. Meghan did seem sad about that in the Oprah interview.
StormzyinaTCup · 16/05/2021 19:15

Maybe we should let this one go as I have a feeling we could carry on at cross purposes for a while!
👍🏻Yes, I think we probably could Wink

CokeDrinker · 16/05/2021 19:15

@CallmeHendricks

I think a few of you are forgetting that Meghan is a professional actress whose admitted claim to fame was to be able to squeeze out a tear on demand.
Ah, the old 'she's an actress, therefore can never be given the benefit of the doubt and is not human'. The scraping the bottom of the barrel continues.
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