Positive thread on Meghan again

[Mummy194]

Now that at the other knock off MN chat has been shut down, we seem to have an influx of those posters on here with new or encouraged accounts.

For those who are not interested in trawling through negative post after the other. You can come on here for positive news about Meghan and Harry.

Why not, everyone else seems to be viewed positively, without 'cynicism'. I don't mind taking this at snail pace, we just post on the good things about H&M, they sure seem to be doing a lot of that lately, and it's really buried under the negativity on MN.

[quote Roussette]@Paquerette

Have you ever dealt with anyone with suicidal thoughts? Because saying..speak to your midwife is just so wrong.
It really doesn't work like that [/quote]
Whereas reporting it to the HR department makes perfect sense when the private maternity hospital you're registered with has a consultant psychiatrist available?

If Harry wasn't prepared to support Meghan get help he's not much of a husband and not fit to be a "mental health advocate". Clearly those difficult conversations weren't ones he was prepared to have with his wife

The RF is not there to be in tune with the young, particularly - they're there to serve”

Serve what and who exactly?

This is fact?
There's a psychiatry department at the hospital she was registered at?

It honestly sounds on here that posters don't believe what she felt at the time. I hope I'm wrong

@Gorgeouslilgirl

The RF is not there to be in tune with the young, particularly - they're there to serve”

Serve what and who exactly?

serve the nation - function as Head of State in the Queen's case. Spotlight and highlight good works that the ordinary peeps of this nation undertake etc etc.

@Roussette
www.drlucindagreen.co.uk/

Lucinda Green is a consultant perinatal psychologist at the Portland Hospital where Meghan was cared for.

The monarch has a ceremonial role with outdated pomp, IMO. I cringe a bit when i see thrones and crowns, but I accept that my tastes run a bit minimalist.

The rest? I don’t see any good works highlighted, they simply don’t cross my radar when one of the lot cuts a ribbon somewhere.

I do remember Diana’s amazing work on mines and HIV

And I do like Charles conservation work, although there is plenty of that out there and loads of funding in the EU and other schemes

@Roussette

This is fact? There's a psychiatry department at the hospital she was registered at?

It honestly sounds on here that posters don't believe what she felt at the time. I hope I'm wrong

Yes, the Portland has a consultant psychiatrist available to deal with peri and post natal mental health problems.

There was so much in the Oprah interview which was either lies or very disingenuous that many people have difficulty believing anything Harry and Meghan say - including the claims of feeling suicidal. Being economical with the truth isn't doing them any favours.

@Gorgeouslilgirl

I’m pleased that H&M are making real contributions to charities, vaccines, mental health. They are putting themselves out there, having difficult conversations, using new younger and open channels of communicating. They are just more human and real- they don’t need to pretend they are superior to other humans because of some divine right. The whole don’t complain, don’t explain is toxic and prevents accountability.

The real courage is in showing human vulnerability, and that’s what connects us all

Human vulnerability hmmm.... Charles was a normal imperfect human being and made mistakes in raising his children- like every parent - yet gets called out for it publicly to a global audience. Could H not have started with a ‘single act of compassion’ and not done that? Of course I’m LMAO at a parent of one child under the age of two lecturing about parenting.

Thx for your link.
Was she there back then?
Could Mm relate to her and feel she was the right person for her to approach?

When you are in a dark place the go-to person might not be the right person, if she was there then, to approach.
Is all I'm saying..
It's not as easy as some think

@lakeswimmer

OK got you
You don't believe her

@Roussette

Thx for your link. Was she there back then? Could Mm relate to her and feel she was the right person for her to approach?

When you are in a dark place the go-to person might not be the right person, if she was there then, to approach.
Is all I'm saying..
It's not as easy as some think

I'm quite sure if you're paying top dollar at one of the most exclusive maternity hospitals in the world they will be only too happy to refer you to the appropriate specialist - this was only a couple of years ago.

@ Roussette Meghan personally selected the Portland over the Lindo as her preferred place for antenatal care and to give birth. I am sure that someone in the team who she trusted would have been able to advise her on who could help her, even if the eminently capable looking Dr Green was not right for her. I’m sure they would have been well placed to find her some help. Much better than the palace HR department....

I have heard you. You appear not to believe what she's said so theres no discussion to be had

Hello all. Just had a read through this thread as I must admit I've been sucked in by all the discussion over Harry and Meghan recently. I think partly it's just that I'm always surprised by the instant backlash everything they do or say seems to provoke, it seems so disproportionate. I'm sure they've made some missteps but take Harry's podcast for example, what I heard was a wide-ranging and good-natured discussion about mental health issues and Harry making one comment about his parents and wanting to avoid perpetuating some of the painful aspects of his childhood, which in turn go back to previous generations, and so on. I just don't see this as the wholesale trashing and betrayal some posters on these threads are seeing. As far as criticism goes, it was pretty mild and vague and in fact, H specifically said "there's no blame". It just sounded reflective to me, like someone who is new to parenthood and is exploring things therapeutically. I know to some that's self-indulgent but I didn't get a sense of any spite there. And I think if you're having any kind of discussion about mental health and particularly if you've publicly grown up within the RF - who patently are quite unusual, shall we say - were the child of one of the most famously unhappy marriages in the world, were packed off to boarding school at age 8, and subsequently lost your mother in a horrific accident... it's got to come up somewhere, hasn't it?

Then Thomas Markle is dragged into the conversation - M&H are such hypocrites, etc. I find that interesting. Only with the broadest brushstrokes could you really say it's the same i.e. talking publicly about family members. And that's true as far as it goes, but Thomas Markle has released (or possibly sold) a private letter from Meghan, and threatened to do a public interview or revelation every thirty days if she didn't talk to him. And his 'time to give back to daddy' remark sticks in the mind . Genuinely appalling. What have H&M done or said that puts them in that category? Maybe if you put the harshest spin on everything they say, ignore anything positive, assume the worst intentions, and ignore the very different context. Which is what seems to happen over and again. It's bizarre the amount of handwringing going on. Obviously with PP's death it's not the best timing, but they've only spoken warmly about both him and the Queen.

Also, I'm interested in the post upthread that said Harry had tried to meet both Meghan's parents before the wedding but TM didn't make himself available. I always wondered why they hadn't met but it sounds believable tbh. I'm curious where this information came from as I've not heard it anywhere else.

Anyway, it's nice to see a positive thread on here. I'm up for a bit of discussion but I feel quite defensive of them when I see endless posts putting these two down.

[quote Roussette]@lakeswimmer

OK got you
You don't believe her[/quote]
I have no idea whether she was suicidal or not.

There were a number of things covered in the Oprah interview which were said for effect and which weren't entirely correct. Because of that they undermined the credibility of their more serious claims which probably wasn't a very sensible thing to do if they want to be believed

All I have down is provide evidence that there is psychiatric help available at the Portland which you did not seem to believe. Logic would suggest that she could have accessed this easily, or been put in touch with someone else.

Maternal mental health was flagged up as a leading cause of maternal death in the 2018 MBRRACE report (not the first time it had been discussed in these maternal mortality reports) and recommendations made. It is inconceivable that the professionals looking after Meghan during her pregnancy were not alert to the potential for problems (lots of red flags I'm sure we can all agree) and that they would not have taken appropriate action.

www.npeu.ox.ac.uk/assets/downloads/mbrrace-uk/reports/MBRRACE-UK%20Maternal%20Report%202018%20-%20Web%20Version.pdf

@lakeswimmer
As I said, you don't believe her, that much is obvious

@Aspiringmatriarch
Great post
So agree on the podcast. I've listened to it unlike many who criticise. It's warm and funny and about 2mins out of 1hr30 taken up with any of the criticisms on here.

@smilesly point me to where I said I didn't believe there was help at the Portland?
On the contrary, I thanked the pp for the link.

Stop twisting things

[quote Roussette]@lakeswimmer
As I said, you don't believe her, that much is obvious

@Aspiringmatriarch
Great post
So agree on the podcast. I've listened to it unlike many who criticise. It's warm and funny and about 2mins out of 1hr30 taken up with any of the criticisms on here.[/quote]
I didn't say I disbelieved her. I don't have any opinion on it either way.

My comments are focused on the fact that a lot of the other stuff in the Oprah interview was provably incorrect and that damaged their credibility.

@Roussette

Thx for your link. Was she there back then? Could Mm relate to her and feel she was the right person for her to approach?

When you are in a dark place the go-to person might not be the right person, if she was there then, to approach.
Is all I'm saying..
It's not as easy as some think

Roussette - I've always enjoyed your posts and we've regularly agreed on things but I did wonder what your point was with your 2nd question here. No-one on this board could answer this, so it seemed to me to be slightly unnecessary and indeed diversionary.

I agree entirely with your last paragraph but I'm not sure there is a segue between question 2 and your last points

[quote Roussette]@lakeswimmer
As I said, you don't believe her, that much is obvious

@Aspiringmatriarch
Great post
So agree on the podcast. I've listened to it unlike many who criticise. It's warm and funny and about 2mins out of 1hr30 taken up with any of the criticisms on here.[/quote]
I'm glad we agree. I always think Harry comes across pretty well. There is an element of unawareness sometimes because I just think he's grown up in a very strange bubble, but I think he does own that. I feel bad for the way everything he says gets pulled apart. Even if he puts his foot in it occasionally, at least he sounds natural and uncoached, and sincere. Good for him.

This is what you said
^“This is fact?
There's a psychiatry department at the hospital she was registered at?”^
It sounded like you were incredulous . It was me that provided the link. I thought you were then accusing me of not believing her when I had only provided a link. However, reading back I now realise that your subsequent post was not addressed to me, so I’m sorry for that misunderstanding. I am not twisting your words. Your post sounded like you did not believe there was a psychiatrist available at the Portland. If that is not what you meant, you expressed yourself badly.

I asked. It was clarified. I didn't disbelieve.

But of course it was me expressing myself badly. Rightio!