To be shocked at some RF members turning their back?

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It has been reported that some Royal Family members literally turned their back on Prince Harry at Prince Philip's funeral and refused to even acknowledge him.
I have had extended family members behave badly and are in no hurry to be friendly. But I think this is appalling behaviour. I would never do that and especially not at a funeral.
It reminds me of that video being shared where William and Kate totally snub and ignore Harry and Meghan.
It is just so rude and awful.

Sorry. I didn’t realise that the words had been used. I must have missed it or disregarded the phrases used as not being meant in an insidious or toxic way.

For me, I have been dealt worse. And I would never be able to set foot out of the house if I chose to see offence in everything.

I don’t have that luxury and I take people as I find them. I choose to see the person within - I refuse to ‘see’ anyone by colour. I don’t want it done to me and bloody well wouldn’t do it to others.

The more you accentuate difference, the more likely it is we will never get past arguing about colour.

Things need to change but lecturing people about what to say or think really doesn’t help.

That is for bell

Well said @Marmaladeagain

I remember years ago arguing with some bloke from the US on here who told us all to stop saying "fag" when we mean cigarette as it's homophobic. I couldn't make him understand that the US isn't the centre of the world and that we can't all adjust our colloquialisms to please people on the other side of the world.

I remember the fag argument. It was completely ridiculous.

I didnt know that until v recently. My mother used to call me an uppity little madam

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/uppity

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uppity

I think it would be a road to madness to stop using words because in US they mean something different.

It's correct - no-one has used those words or phrases - hashtagged etc other than the poster unable to interpret dislike of people's behaviour as anything other than racism. I'v disliked Harry for years, how does that work - I never had the affectionate acceptance lots had for his racial slurs etc. I always thought he was a petulant unpleasant character. But it can only now be seen through the lens of racism, which is 100% stupid.

We'd end up adopting US incorrect (IMO, or UK view) spelling of words. We should accept different countries have different languages/spellings/idioms/culture etc without having to conform to a world view of language.

Apparently CHIMPO (what Harry's job is) means - penis in Japanese slang. We shouldn't bow (as TV companies) are to using other country's language usage (that country misunderstanding everything about our political system anyhow and in no position to lecture the world on anything).

www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/chimpo-prince-harrys-new-job-title-is-japanese-slang-for-penis/H7OKPYN4SO3RG6F7MGQ2EMYAFU/#:~:text=Lifestyle-,'CHIMPO'%3A%20Prince%20Harry's%20new%20job%20title,is%20Japanese%20slang%20for%20penis

I never had the affectionate acceptance lots had for his racial slurs etc. I always thought he was a petulant unpleasant character. But it can only now be seen through the lens of racism, which is 100% stupid.

I know what you mean - it is quite weird to be accused of racism for disliking a racist

the woke agenda is to control peoples permitted speech as it provides a shorthand for being "one of them". You can be a "good" person by sticking to these rules (otherwise known as quasi religion).

If you question the permitted language rules, you're "one of them" the ones that the woke are permitted to freely "hate" (popular word for them) with no questioning of whether that's a very "nice" behaviour in and of itself.

The whole men women debate that rages over SM is the same agenda, looking to control what women are allowed to say. It's an extended part of that culture, so we'd be wise to not bend every which way as in the end you break.

@Billandben444

Giving a speech announcing voter suppression and doing the Tory's dirty work

How is ensuring a voter is who they say they are suppression?

If this is a genuine question (hard to imagine really) but think of it as there being a bias towards older and wealthier people having photo ID (passports and D/L, for instance) and younger and poorer people not having such documents. See the problem? Then overlay that with a thought about which of these types generally votes Tory and which generally don’t.

A bit off piste for the thread so as you were...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_identification_laws

The Cabinet Office have said:

"A broad range of documents already in use will be accepted, including, for example, various concessionary travel passes, Proof of Age Standards Scheme (PASS) cards, and photocard parking permits issued as part of the Blue Badge scheme. In addition, expired photographic ID will be accepted as long as the photograph is of a good enough likeness to allow polling station staff to confirm the identity of the holder.

For any voter who does not have one of the required forms of photographic ID, a free local Voter Card will be available from their local authority."

Source

If a free local voter ID is available that is fine. Because the government themselves say a million people do not have photo ID. Pretty sure my elderly mother does not. Does not drive, hasn't been abroad for years so will have thrown her expired passport away. Hasnt got a travel pass or blue badge as she rarely leaves the house, but always votes.

As far as I am aware, the rule from 1917, limited the title of Prince/Princess to those of the children and grandchildren of the reigning monarch, and the eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales.
So far so good, although it should be noted that some, like P. Anne, refused a title for her children.
However, in 2013 the law on succession was changed to include female children, so that if William and Kate had a daughter first, then she would eventually inherit the crown, but under the existing rules would not have had the title Princess.
The 2012 letters patent, were therefore amended to take this into account, so that all of PW children whether male of female would be entitled to be called Prince or Princess, because they are directly in line.
Unfortunately, P Harry and Meghan feel they should be treated the same.
None of the rules affected their children, but they seem to believe if the Queen issued letters patent for PW, they should issue them again for their child/children. (That is, if they actually understood the rules as they existed). They certainly believe they should be treated exactly the same as PW and Kate, so if their children are called Prince and Princess, so should Harry and Meghan's children.
They then maintained the reason why not, was because of his mixed race, and possible skin colour.
They also linked the title of 'Prince' to having security, and the reason why not, was because of his mixed race heritage.
They said the conversations were simultaneous!

As I understand it, Diana made a point of both boys being treated the same and it may be that she would have encouraged H's feelings of individual self worth as they matured. He still has this burning need to be as close to top dog as he can (hence his behaviour at the Commonwealth ceremony and funeral) but surely he realised the implications of relinquishing Royal duties? He would seem to be hankering after the half in/half out approach that was dismissed. He has a lovely family and life in California which I'm sure he doesn't want to swap for the Royal constraints in the UK and looks much happier recently. I hope it works out for them.

Harry hadn’t ever really done engagements as a working Royal before he and M got engaged. He had his own projects but they were largely on his terms. I think he vastly underestimated the toll of being a full time working member of the family. Even though he saw it up close, he doesn’t seem to have clocked what it would actually mean . M probably listened to him enthusing about how they could change the world and got sucked in. They have both been very naive. Because they are not essentially up to the job, they have run away bleating about unfairness. The best thing they can do is keep their heads down, keep quiet and build their new life. They won’t though.

Yes - Charles was keen to have Harry close - but ultimately only in a supporting role - would require acknowleding William is senior to him and now George etc.. too.

Would require taking advice/instructions/protocols etc and accept that his line of "princeleyness" (new word) would end with him and not continue through his children as that is the only way to shape a smaller RF over next 20-30 years.

Harry obviously didn't understand the impact of changes to 2012 and thought they'd whip the same changes up for him.

Charles would have been hoping Harry might mature and become similar to Anne - hard worker, but not demanding special treatment/spotlight/meltdowns about role of spouse etc. Anne refused for Captain Phillips to receive a title which would have given Zara and Peter a title (not Princes though).

So hoping Harry might mature was key to Harry being still in spotlight. He clearly is terribly bothered about position and rank and unable to take instruction.

As is the case with such egos, they blame others for their mistakes. The hard shock of his family being clear with the "no" might force him to reflect on whether other people also may have difficulties and the world doesn't stop and start with him.

It will be interesting to see how many of the formal future royal occasions he attends.

If he does not wish to attend or is not invited, I hope he will not try to use the event for publicity.

I found their Remembrance Day tribute toe-curling.

@Viviennemary

It will be interesting to see how many of the formal future royal occasions he attends.

if he is not official royal family as is being reported will happen, he will not be invited.

@Marmaladeagain unable to take instruction? He was in the forces, of course he can take instruction.
But this is a family business. He can decide whether to take instruction or leave the family business. And it is obvious the royal family family business is terrible at handling dissent.

Being in the forces does not necessarily mean you will still want to be under instruction when you come out.

As an outsider looking in, it looks as though he wasn’t keen on it.

Of course it doesn’t necessarily mean you are keen on following instruction IN the forces either.

The folk on permajankers and on their holidays in the glass house can attest to that.

I can’t help but feel that his main irk is his birth standing. I wonder if it would have been different if he’d popped out first?

I can’t help but be glad it was William though.