To be shocked at some RF members turning their back?

[fiheka]

It has been reported that some Royal Family members literally turned their back on Prince Harry at Prince Philip's funeral and refused to even acknowledge him.
I have had extended family members behave badly and are in no hurry to be friendly. But I think this is appalling behaviour. I would never do that and especially not at a funeral.
It reminds me of that video being shared where William and Kate totally snub and ignore Harry and Meghan.
It is just so rude and awful.

@Mummy194

There was (to me,.....

Yes, you are correct, to you.

Also it was already reported that they were told to make a big wedding. Back then it was reported as something to unify the country after the Brexit fallout.

And we all got our money's worth and some, back in revenue. So no need to whine about that.

Reported? Where, on this thread?

I did not trash KM, I showed what you say looks like when turned around, and you don't like it.

I have never heard that they were forced to have a £32m wedding either. Sounds awful.

I have never heard that they were forced to have a £32m wedding either. Sounds awful

God, yeah, fancy having pots of money to spend on your dress and flowers and cake and everything, and ship over your favourite Reverend and choir and all your showbiz mates. What a nightmare. Especially when you could only have your second choice diamond tiara.

Ungrateful.

TBF, I think she had a choice of which £250,000 dress she would be forced to wear for the British people's braying spectacle of a wedding.. on same day as cup final - lots out stocking up on food for bbqs later that day for the cup final, whoops doesn't fit with the US narrative that Harry and William are equal in hierarchy.

William's wedding was indeed a public spectacle to mark a public event - Katherine to become a Queen (most likely) marrying heir to the throne etc.

Masses of work? I can see the engagements they go to. Of course, they will be briefed by aides who will do the necessary research work. I have worked with a Councillor who had a ceremonial role and yes there is some work in terms of understanding what you are going to and who you are talking to. And if you are giving a speech approving or adding bits to your speech written by a speechwriter. But no it is not masses of work.

No it is not being dismissive of Kate. Yes I am sure she has read lots to get a better understanding of early years and she promoted the results of the survey. But she is not a specialist.
I have also been here first time around when Tony Blair was a champion of early years interventions and there was a lot of publicity about the research done in this country and the US that showed the impact of early years intervention in improving peoples lives across a whole range of outcomes.
Kate is focused on the anodyne - people need to realise how important early years is. If she was going to be a force for real change she would be calling on the government to reinvigorate sure start or a version of it. And calling on the government to invest in early years across a whole range of services. Instead poverty for children is increasing and services have been cut.
I actually wouldn't care if she was not an expert if she was using her position to make real changes. But the focus of the RF on Kate and William is don't frighten the horses.
That might be the best strategy for longevity, but it does make their roles a total waste of money.

you do know these two women are not in competition? In order to like one you don't have to trash the other, FYI

You don’t have to like them both either FYI...

No one has said it is a competition. No one is picking ‘sides’.

Those questioning PH and MM’s actions are permitted to do so without cries of ‘competitions, trashing, racism’ and the like.

Most questioning their actions have a problem with PH - not just MM. Only a lot of the time it is turned round to be on MM only to suit certain agendas.

It is getting tiresome.

And of course Meghan and Harry had to have a big public wedding just as Kate and William did.
For all we know Kate might have preferred to elope to Seychelles after a quick local registry office wedding. But that was never a choice.
People are being deliberately dim if they think the style of wedding either couple had was a choice.

Apologies for the Express link. But this was widely reported at the time. People seem to pick and choose info about H&M.

www.express.co.uk/life-style/life/951749/royal-wedding-news-meghan-markle-prince-harry-private-carriage-latest

@HypocriteHunter my objection to all the royals apart from Andrew who is a sex offender, is that they are a vast waste of public money.

But the royals can’t involve themselves in politics so she can’t call on the government to do anything. This is why it was not acceptable for Harry and Meghan to make comments on the US presidential election whilst still part of the RF.

Why bring in the cold shouldering allegations as a red herring?
Public funds issue is totally different.

@fiheka Why did Meghan and Harry have to have a big public wedding?

Did you look at the guest list, can you see how wildly different type of events they were? If not, read the list - there is nothing of a spectacle about H&M they invite exactly who they want to be there.

William's is full of world people representing countries etc it was not theirs to choose. W&K take their roles seriously and part of that is accepting public/private side of the role as future Head of State - called sense of duty.

Harry could have got married on the Seychelles for sure. He really could as he's not important, he's gone and nothing has changed - some charities and patronages to share round.

William withdrawing from RF would create constitutional crisis mode and lots of political discussions etc. Harry is not important, he was unhappy - he's gone. If they'd stop being offended at having been moved further and further down the line of succession by William having children they may be able to stop looking ridiculous.

[quote smilesy]@fiheka Why did Meghan and Harry have to have a big public wedding?[/quote]
I remember the articles and commentary at the time, it was touted as a nice big day to unite the divided country in times of Brexit.

The "5 Big Questions on the Under Fives" survey was open for a month. It was announced that over 500,000 people took part, which is the largest-ever response to a public survey of its kind in the UK. source.

"Ipsos MORI has been conducting research with the public in the UK for over 50 years and we have never seen a response like we did when 5 Big Questions was launched" source.

@smilesy

But the royals can’t involve themselves in politics so she can’t call on the government to do anything. This is why it was not acceptable for Harry and Meghan to make comments on the US presidential election whilst still part of the RF.

Then there is no point to them at all. Because they do end up the equivalent of beauty pageant winners. Looking good and saying anodyne things. Waste of money.

anodyne: not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull.

Your favourite word describes exactly what is required of the RF. Your attempt to be dismissive with that descriptor shows you don't understand the role of the RF in our political system at all It isn't a problem being anodyne, we weren't waiting for a showbiz to come and cheer up our political system/hereditary monarchy - it's meant to be dull.

Then there is no point to them at all. Because they do end up the equivalent of beauty pageant winners. Looking good and saying anodyne things. Waste of money.

Which is your opinion of which you are obviously entitled. However just because you don't see the value in them doesn't mean that anyone in the family snubbed him and turned their backs on him at the funeral as you've claimed.

You could have had a good discussion on whether people thought they were still relevant without spouting nonsense to get people's attention.

fiheka

my objection to all the royals apart from Andrew who is a sex offender, is that they are a vast waste of public money.

OP - That reads to me that you think Andrew is worth it...

I’d go canny with your allegations though just in case you find yourself in hot water.

I had a look at the big 5 questions, and seriously, they were exactly what I was asked when my DC were babies. Exactly. Nothing new.

You were right @fiheka, projects like SureStart were incredibly useful to me, I was quite shocked when they ended. Not only did we have centres for DC to go to back then, there were also the books.

@Mummy194. I agree that it was touted as a nice big day, but surely that was after they announced it was going to be a big wedding. I’m quite sure no one would have minded if they had had a small wedding. It would have been understandable. Meghan was, after all a divorcee. They could have done what Charles and Camilla did and had a small actual wedding and then a televised blessing at St George’s.

The idea of Meghan and Harry healing Brexit is laughable!

@Marmaladeagain

anodyne: not likely to cause offence or disagreement and somewhat dull.

Your favourite word describes exactly what is required of the RF. Your attempt to be dismissive with that descriptor shows you don't understand the role of the RF in our political system at all It isn't a problem being anodyne, we weren't waiting for a showbiz to come and cheer up our political system/hereditary monarchy - it's meant to be dull.

Exactly! @Marmaladeagain is more mature than me as I'd have added a Bazinga! to that!

[quote smilesy]@Mummy194. I agree that it was touted as a nice big day, but surely that was after they announced it was going to be a big wedding. I’m quite sure no one would have minded if they had had a small wedding. It would have been understandable. Meghan was, after all a divorcee. They could have done what Charles and Camilla did and had a small actual wedding and then a televised blessing at St George’s.[/quote]
It was decided for them in order to 'unite the country'.

That is why the media stepped back and took a break from snarky reporting around that time. The whole worlds media was pointing their lenses at them too. So now you have people telling us how the media was so welcoming to her, look at her wedding. When they took a little break and went back to business as usual.