Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

*He had that point decided to become permanently resident abroad though, so it’s naturally when the Met reviewed his long term security.

I get why he assumed his security would just follow, when you’ve always had something you just assume you always will. I think he just didn’t think through the bigger picture about the fact that the Queen and his father can’t just order the Met to provide him security - they have their own rules and procedures to follow.*

My whole point is that they were still under the RF at that point, on this one year 'trial'. In a normal company it would have been called serving notice. They were still doing patronage work, it does not matter where they are doing it from.

What would make sense is to tell them that at the end, when all ties are cut, you will have to see your own way. It is complicated ofcourse, because H's security threats are directly linked to his lineage.

I can see H's annoyance, it all seems very underhanded, as if a way to try and make him come running back as they knew at that point that he had no other job etc.

@Crocidura

Not a racist family? Yes, IMO they are. As a whole, including Andrew at least, allegedly, they are indeed a very racist family indeed.

And Harry of course. Not alleged, as he publicly apologised for his racism.

The apple is a product of its tree, and the Harry apple reflected, acknowledged, apologised and has been making amends though his charity work for many years.

The rest of them might follow that example.

I can see H's annoyance, it all seems very underhanded, as if a way to try and make him come running back as they knew at that point that he had no other job etc.

The point he seems to have missed though is that the Queen and his father couldn't just say he could have the security. It's not their choice.

Charles paid for it while they were in Canada and the Met agreed to provide it.

Had they stayed in Canada it's very likely the arrangement of Charles paying and the combo of Met and Canadian police providing would have stayed in place until the end of the year at least. Moving to a new country changed the game and that was their choice to make, and he clearly didn't think through the impact of that on his security.

For someone so very bashful about having a "spectacle" she very much didn't mind wearing a £200k Givenchy wedding dress

I don't think they thought the security through. He thought his 'international protected person' status wouldn't be removed.

They tried to call the RFs bluff except they weren't bluffing. International Protected Status removed, pay your own security.

The apple is a product of its tree, and the Harry apple reflected, acknowledged, apologised and has been making amends though his charity work for many years.

My point was that your argument that they are a racist family is pretty weak when all you use to back it up is an alleged remark made by one of them. It would have been stronger had you used the example of the only member of the family who has been forced to apologise publicly for racism.

I don't really get the apple tree implication that they must all be racist because Harry is.

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@PicsInRed

I must have missed the photos of the rest of them in Nazi costumes ?[/quote]
Yeah, just the odd cheery nazi heil here and there. Just allegedly an occasional n bomb drop and allegedly telling a non white person not to "play the white man". Just a reference in front of the world's media to the effect on eye shape of remaining in Asia - and that was on a trip to try to build trade ties and impress! Imagine the convos in private! Just a blackamoor brooch at an event welcoming Meghan wtf. Just continued working with publications and journalists who facilitated the racial abuse of Meghan and Archie with zero attempt to force an end to it, despite taking the most robust measures to remove tiny snippets about William's dining habits from other stories - so therefore being willing ha, see what I did there and able when they actually want to.

There's more but you get the idea. No biggie. It's all good, right? No racism to see there.

Not a racist family.

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@PicsInRed

Prince Phillip fought against the nazi’s and mocked the Heil Hilter salute (he used to laugh and said it reminded him of people wanting to go to the toilet according to people who went to school with him) This is ‘actually’ true

His grandson ‘actually’ wore a Nazi costume[/quote]
Here ya go.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-33578174

Edward VIII was a known Nazi sympathiser.

@TruelyWonder

Oblivious should just have done what Katie Price did. She named her daughter princess. It would have been hilarious to see peoples reaction if they had called him prince Poor kid all this fuss about him and all he is probably interested in at the moment is play doh and dinosaurs.

Edward VIII was a known Nazi sympathiser.

OMG you're right - that is incontrovertible evidence that a load of people who weren't even born then are definitely all racists 😂

Oh, here's Ed VIII after abdication, visiting Germany and Hitler. He's saluting.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/edward-viii-gives-nazi-salute-13384990

Just a blackamoor brooch at an event welcoming Meghan

Now that was the worst thing ever. How hurtful that must've been for Meghan.
Yes, she apologised after the event but she knew exactly what she was doing.
But hey... her father was in the Nazi SS so nothing surprises me. She has done blackface too but said she finds 'these people' adorable.

@Crocidura

Edward VIII was a known Nazi sympathiser.

OMG you're right - that is incontrovertible evidence that a load of people who weren't even born then are definitely all racists 😂

Oh ok, how about something more recent. Prince Andrew.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/18/prince-andrew-used-n-word-former-no-10-aide-claims

I don't think I understand much of this as it's such a media swirl/frenzy. Who said what to who when etc. There's a lack of clarity around it all which wasn't helped by the Oprah interview as there was some bafflement over security/titles/weddings and so on.

Obviously the media delight in this as it's caught the public's attention and sells. The discovery documentary sounds interesting and I like the phrase 'recollections may vary'.

I think Meghan had worked hard to be known in her previous life. Then she was dazzled by Harry's global fame, the cheering crowds, castles and jewels etc and thought that this meant she had a global platform to build her own brand with. He didn't explain or she didn't listen that their job was to support the firm. However in the engagement interview they both explicitly said that he had prepared her and explained everything.

@JustLyra

I can see H's annoyance, it all seems very underhanded, as if a way to try and make him come running back as they knew at that point that he had no other job etc.

The point he seems to have missed though is that the Queen and his father couldn't just say he could have the security. It's not their choice.

Charles paid for it while they were in Canada and the Met agreed to provide it.

Had they stayed in Canada it's very likely the arrangement of Charles paying and the combo of Met and Canadian police providing would have stayed in place until the end of the year at least. Moving to a new country changed the game and that was their choice to make, and he clearly didn't think through the impact of that on his security.

Yes, but the security was taken away while they. were still in Canada.

Harry: The biggest concern was that while we were in Canada, in someone else’s house, I then got told at short notice security was going to be removed. By this point, courtesy of the Daily Mail, the world knew exact . . . our exact location. So suddenly it dawned on me, ‘Hang on a second. The borders could be closed. We’re going to have our security removed. Who knows how long lockdown’s going to be? The world knows where we are. It’s not safe. It’s not secure’.

Oh ok, how about something more recent. Prince Andrew.

This is the same story you used before though, which is alleged and denied and therefore not particularly strong evidence. Not as strong as Harry's admitted racism, for example.

@Crocidura

Oh ok, how about something more recent. Prince Andrew.

This is the same story you used before though, which is alleged and denied and therefore not particularly strong evidence. Not as strong as Harry's admitted racism, for example.

Denied you say, well that's that then.

Was Prince Andrew in Woking again?

Denied you say, well that's that then.

No, that's not that, but we don't even know if it's true. It's hardly undeniable evidence that the whole family is racist, is it?

In a very basic explanation I think Harry has struggled with the fact whatever he does and whatever happens in his life he'll become lower and lower down the pecking order than his brother - and then that would happen to his kids.

Probably not helped when all he saw was the media printing untrue and pretty nasty bits about his wife whilst loving Kate.

We read stories all the time on MN about the effects of knowing you aren't the favourite child - being a meme Ed of the RF doesn't shield you from human emotion.

One thing which everyone must agree on is that the 'royal experts' and 'sources say...' can be infuriating!

What a strange job.