Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

Cacacoisfarraige
@DeeCeeCherry

MM has admitted to funnelling information to Omid Scobie

What is this "funnelling information" new term? it's elsewhere in thread too. Effecting maximum drama, much? - MM gave him info for a book, which is pretty normal. So?

who seems finely tuned to racism (based on his Twitter account)

"Finely tuned to racism?" I can't even decipher this - what a strange term to use.

He is most definitely not in the palace pocket - quite the opposite

Who said he was in the palace pocket?

Is O the go-to gotcha person now 'Look, O says this wasn't racist, so - It wasn't'?

In this case MM shouted racism when it wasn’t true, and her husband should have cleared this up before it got to this. I’m sure it was explained to them too but like you MM didn’t want to believe it wasn’t racism

What do you mean "like me?"

Who are you to define what racism is, to a non-White person? Let alone comment on how they should think feel and act on it?

Your whole commentary shows you don't know or care what racism is. You're just comfortable in your prejudice that's all.

@BalloonSlayer

But I clearly remember her saying in the interview that she knew Archie would not be a prince straight away, but that he would normally have become one when Charles became King, but it was THAT which she had been told would not happen.

Is my memory faulty? Am I the only one who remembers that bit?

She said they thought all the grandchildren were going to be treated the same and also said that they also said they were going to change the rules so Archie wasn’t a Prince.

She said they thought all the grandchildren were going to be treated the same and also said that they also said they were going to change the rules so Archie wasn’t a Prince.

Didn't she also say that she was only worried about security because if Archie was a prince he would get it and if he wasn't, he wouldn't? Which is not how it works.

@Crocidura

She said they thought all the grandchildren were going to be treated the same and also said that they also said they were going to change the rules so Archie wasn’t a Prince.

Didn't she also say that she was only worried about security because if Archie was a prince he would get it and if he wasn't, he wouldn't? Which is not how it works.

She said that they’d been told he couldn’t have security because he wasn’t a Prince so she said to make him a Prince and they said no

Tbh that’s the bit that’s the strangest of the whole thing. Titles and security are not linked. And the Queen/Prince Charles/royal family don’t get to decide who is offered security.

Something very clearly got lost in conversation and you have to wonder about Harry’s part in all of this. He should know how security, and levels of security, works as he’s been around it his whole life.

A lot of what has happened makes me wonder a lot about him. Chelsea Davy and Cressida Bonas both refused to consider marrying him because they knew what their life would be. His eventual wife being so unprepared and unknowledgeable about things is either huge coincidence or very deliberate...

I read years ago Charles didn't want Beatrice and Eugenie to be working roysls and implied they shouldn't have been given the title of Princess. Edwards children are not Prince and Princess and are grandchildren of the monarch although they have the right to those titles. That all seems in keeping with the slimmed down monarchy planned years ago.

Something very clearly got lost in conversation and you have to wonder about Harry’s part in all of this. He should know how security, and levels of security, works as he’s been around it his whole life.

But he does know, that is why he raised the question when his own security was taken away.

What is clear is that the palace changes the rules as and when they feel like it, and come up with all sorts of excuses even if invalid.

If these are the kind of people H&M had to contend with, it would seem the palace were taking advantage of them with impunity and a good thing they outed them. I wonder if they will go ahead with their plans to change the rules and not make Archie a prince, now that everyone knows what their intentions were.

@Viviennemary

I read years ago Charles didn't want Beatrice and Eugenie to be working roysls and implied they shouldn't have been given the title of Princess. Edwards children are not Prince and Princess and are grandchildren of the monarch although they have the right to those titles. That all seems in keeping with the slimmed down monarchy planned years ago.

Edward’s children are Prince and Princess, they just don’t use them. Sophie Wessex confirmed as such in an interview last year.

@Mummy194

Something very clearly got lost in conversation and you have to wonder about Harry’s part in all of this. He should know how security, and levels of security, works as he’s been around it his whole life.

But he does know, that is why he raised the question when his own security was taken away.

What is clear is that the palace changes the rules as and when they feel like it, and come up with all sorts of excuses even if invalid.

If these are the kind of people H&M had to contend with, it would seem the palace were taking advantage of them with impunity and a good thing they outed them. I wonder if they will go ahead with their plans to change the rules and not make Archie a prince, now that everyone knows what their intentions were.

His security being removed is a different issue. He clearly didn’t take into account the fact that moving abroad makes things a completely different situation.

Charles quite clearly planned for Harry’s children to be titled in the long term as when the 2012 LP’s related to William’s children were issued the 1917 ones could have been replaced. They weren’t, so the automatic entitlement of all male line grandchildren was retained.

But he does know, that is why he raised the question when his own security was taken away

The close protection that goes with the job of course ends when you choose to leave the job. So I don't quite see what question there was to be raised, not by that stage.

Though I suppose he knew his DMum chose to refuse close protection after her divorce (rather than it being withdrawn regardless of her opinion). But she continued to live in Britain, in a palace, and so I think those circumstances don't set a precedent for him.

The close protection that goes with the job of course ends when you choose to leave the job

Why then is Andrew getting paid for protection at £300,000 a year? He may not have 'left' the RF but he is a non working 'not doing the job' Royal.

@EdithWeston

But he does know, that is why he raised the question when his own security was taken away

The close protection that goes with the job of course ends when you choose to leave the job. So I don't quite see what question there was to be raised, not by that stage.

Though I suppose he knew his DMum chose to refuse close protection after her divorce (rather than it being withdrawn regardless of her opinion). But she continued to live in Britain, in a palace, and so I think those circumstances don't set a precedent for him.

The job isn’t directly linked to the security. The Met have made that very clear. Archie’s security wouldn’t have been affected by title or if he was a working royal or not, it’s purely based on need.

Just as if there was a sudden threat to Lady Louse or Mia Tindall then appropriate levels of security would be given. As you say, he knows from his mother that security isn’t linked to title or role.

If he lived here he’d still have a high level of security because of the threats against him, however the Met don’t give protection to people living in other countries on a permanent basis (which is why he kept it in Canada). He just didn’t think that through properly.

@Crocidura

She said they thought all the grandchildren were going to be treated the same and also said that they also said they were going to change the rules so Archie wasn’t a Prince.

Didn't she also say that she was only worried about security because if Archie was a prince he would get it and if he wasn't, he wouldn't? Which is not how it works.

She said that the conversation was that security would be linked to status and Archie's automatic status upgrade to "Prince" upon his grandfather's accession would be intentionally removed - specifically changed for Archie - and that this was all being discussed alongside a separate conversation which Harry relayed to her around concerns at the highest level that Archie would turn out too dark.

Meanwhile, Harry gets the cold shoulder at PP's funeral, but Andrew doesn't. Priorities?

People need to stop falling over themselves to twist what Meghan (and Harry, and Omid) say and start taking a really hard look at this royal family.

Prince Andrew allegedly used the n word and also another starkly racist colonial phrase to a person of colour during professional meetings at the Palace. Not a racist family? Yes, IMO they are. As a whole, including Andrew at least, allegedly, they are indeed a very racist family indeed.

By finely tuned I mean he is better at picking up the nuanced racism some people feel was directed towards MM.

It's a sly reference alleging the person is being overly sensitive and seeing racism where it doesn't exist, when it jolly well does.

But again you’re taking offense.

QED.

You’re the one who is determined to find racism in others comments.

QED.

They're also so bloody saccharine about how much they love the queen, but still felt the need to complain about the titles (which are decided by the queen) and claim the lack of title was due to racism. So which is it, you respect her totally and think she's wonderful, or you think she's a horrible racist who thinks Archie is too brown to be a Prince?

They were being clever here because slagging off the Queen would have been a game changer in that interview. Even the most hardened republicans respect the Queen. The way they fawned over her whilst trashing the establishment she is Head of was abominable.

Let's face it, that interview was for American audiences who think that the RF are the same as the Kardashians and don't have the foggiest about how any of it works.

Not a racist family? Yes, IMO they are. As a whole, including Andrew at least, allegedly, they are indeed a very racist family indeed.

And Harry of course. Not alleged, as he publicly apologised for his racism.

@Theunamedcat

I think they might be cautiously backtracking on a few of their "revelations"

Harry would have known about this he should have prepared her better i actually think he has treated her quite badly as well as his family

Me too. I think he has been a terrible husband to be fair

I think the fact that the one woman who was willing to marry Harry seems to have been desperately ill prepared for the royal life is very, very telling about him.

If he lived here he’d still have a high level of security because of the threats against him, however the Met don’t give protection to people living in other countries on a permanent basis (which is why he kept it in Canada). He just didn’t think that through properly.

The problem here is that the security was dropped last year, when H had just arrived in the US. He was still under RF contract, because as you recall they were still doing the RF duties irw Zoom meetings to the patronages. So he cannot have been classed as a permanent resident at that point. Even now, all the foreign people I know say it generally takes time to become a resident in a country, more especially those who did not come in with a job that specifically employed or transferred them for a time that could be determined as permanent resident.

Re the race issue - let's face it, the RF is the very epitome of white privilege. The whole institution relies heavily on the (just happens to be) white line of succession and very blatant structure of "I am more important than you by virtue of who I was born to and in what order", even within their own family! And that's how they can only ever operate to continue their success. The minute there's any implications that so-and-so is equal to the Prince - wether it's his brother, SIL, or Dave from Clappenham - the whole structure and principles of the RF falls apart.

We know this. It's obvious. No one minds enough to do anything about it because they do good work as well with their status.

So why why why would a WOC, who clearly is very passionate about equality, feminism and the BLM ethos, marry into this rather draconian and very over-privileged and very white institution and then complain that it's very hierarchical, very white and very arbitrarily unequal?

I honestly don't think she had such a grave misunderstanding of how the RF worked like she claims. I think she was told exactly how it all worked and thought "Well I'm gonna go in there and shake things up" rather than knowing her place, a duty she took on when she married PH. And when she couldn't, she claimed she was being silenced.

Deecee says to me: "The point is NOT saying it's unacceptable, whilst happily gossiping about Archie not getting/deserving a title. As well as your lying about what I actually said. Perhaps the Daily Heil pages are your home so you're automatically twisting words here too. Archie is a child who experienced racism at the hands of the British media. Most of you are here compounding that. Yet again scorning MM, talking about her son, calling her husband thick. I don't need to "try" . I know mean girl racists when I see them, not hard to spot. It's clear what's bothering you about MM & her son specifically, and an English Prince marrying her.".. blah, blah

Absolute muddled tripe the whole post. Do you hold seances too, what with your ability to "know" and "see" what people really mean? By that I mean: charlatan.

Poor comprehension skills seem common in people that take offence at everything. Funny enough one of Harry's friends last week was saying this very thing about him in an amused way, it's not amusing.

BTW I know the posters from the US struggle that we in the UK lived through the real timeline of events and know all the inconsistencies re. passport withdrawn whilst turning down the usual royal Balmoral visit in August as H&M had to fly off with Elton to South of France. The baby shower trip in late pregnancy etc - her passport was withdrawn and she was trapped is another lie in the interview. I don't doubt M was deeply unhappy, H didn't explain how minor he is going forward.

Also to help the US poster - we don't live in Tudor times here - the RF are not Princes and Queen of England - that would be Elizabeth I reign that you're confusing us with.

I know you think your post sounded very clever, but it's Lewis Carroll level of nonsense.

Don't bother reading anything anyone says at all, just say the same thing every single time : MN is racist. I'm racist. Anyone that dares base an opinion on someone's actions and inconsistencies is racist. Very, very silly indeed and transparent to all.

I believe it was decided that they could not justify using public money to fund security which had become so much more expensive because of their choice to live abroad. Prince Charles agreed to pay for it out of his own money until they were financially independent. I don't really see what they've got to complain about. It seems pretty obvious that if you choose to move abroad and leave the Royal family, the British taxpayer should no longer be expected to fund any of your expenses.

@Anne1958

What they said got twisted

No it wasn’t. In fact the only thing that was twisted was Megan saying it in the first place.

Millions upon millions of people were rooting for her and had been from day one but it mattered not a jot to her when she delivered her little gem regarding the wedding. She was determined to lash out and so she did regardless of anything else.

As for OS - they’ve really had to scrape the bottom of the barrel with him for a mouthpiece.

100% agree. I supported m and h and thought it was their right to move away and raise their family as they felt fit. I thought the media scrutiny was too much. Then everything seemed to die a death.......... Then up pops this interview. There is no way M and H would be gullible enough to feel that the interview wouldn't blow up. When she said that about the wedding I thought, you've just shot yourself in the foot here. It was like a little sneak ha ha when actually, it meant a great deal to lots of the British public. I think she's shown herself up badly and I have to wonder how Harry if feeling. Although tbh I don't think he's particularly come out of this shining either

@Mummy194

If he lived here he’d still have a high level of security because of the threats against him, however the Met don’t give protection to people living in other countries on a permanent basis (which is why he kept it in Canada). He just didn’t think that through properly.

The problem here is that the security was dropped last year, when H had just arrived in the US. He was still under RF contract, because as you recall they were still doing the RF duties irw Zoom meetings to the patronages. So he cannot have been classed as a permanent resident at that point. Even now, all the foreign people I know say it generally takes time to become a resident in a country, more especially those who did not come in with a job that specifically employed or transferred them for a time that could be determined as permanent resident.

He had that point decided to become permanently resident abroad though, so it’s naturally when the Met reviewed his long term security.

I get why he assumed his security would just follow, when you’ve always had something you just assume you always will. I think he just didn’t think through the bigger picture about the fact that the Queen and his father can’t just order the Met to provide him security - they have their own rules and procedures to follow.