Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

Why didn't she take her beloved fiancé to visit him before any of that happened?

Why did she not postpone her wedding to have him there?

She's hurt him.

Why didn't she have her sister there.
She tried to lie saying she hadn't seen her in years and the sister produces a photo proving her wrong.

All very odd to me.

@Lauren15

Apparently the Happy Birthday message from the PoW account features a photo of PC, H and Archie, without M. I don’t think any communication from the RF is done by accident and it sends a message that M is not in favour.

I thought that was a nod to her book and the celebration of the father/son bond

I really liked her and thought she was fab for the firm BUT She made a massive tit of herself by making a couple of. Daft claims which should have been edited, out this was the one I remembered..,, what was the other ???

Postpone a Royal wedding literally a day or two before and all that entails?! As if !
He's hurt her big time. As the letter he leaked proves. She begs him to be in contact and stop talking to the media continually.

She has no contact with her sister who has also sold stories on her and written a book on her. Awful. One photo in decades... ok

MN advice would be NC. But obviously not for Meghan

They knew he was unwell weeks before the wedding. And that still doesn't explain why Meghan never took Harry to visit him.

Seriously who meets their FIL for the first time at the wedding?

I was talking about school fees in the British meaning of the word 'school'.

But the post I quoted and replied to - the reply you felt objectionable enough to call me "bonkers" - did not say "school fees". It said "school and college fees."

I assumed "college" meant university which is a reasonable objection.

If you choose to reply to a post about school AND university, and ignore a full half of the post, that's on you.

There are very few people who would not be really really anxious about a wedding on that scale being televised to millions, never mind if you had never met your future son in law before. TM has behaved really badly, no doubt. However, M has handled the whole situation very badly too.

I don't think anyone criticise her because of racism, people criticise because her actions speak far louder than her words

Well, some undoubtably do, but the problems seem to start - at least on here - if the assumption's made that any criticism must have racist intent
To me this has always seemed unintelligent at best, and TBF there are only a couple of posters who do it, which is probably just as well

I've only just seen Charles's Twitter birthday message. For all I know he may not have a photo with just the four of them to send, but all the same it did seem a bit pointed - shame really

Exactly how the RF are now reacting to M&H - continue blanking and move on without them.

The RF responded by hiring new crisis managers, doing distasteful PR stunts posting with black people, and leaking non-stop stories about Meghan to the press.

The RF are hardly ignoring her.

Meghan used a world stage to say everything at the RF was an attack on her, when all the facts have now shown to be protocols
That's purely your opinion. It is not fact.

Why did she not postpone her wedding to have him there?
You can't postpone a massive televised public event with only two days notice.

She's hurt him.
He hurt, abused, and betrayed her a thousand times more than she hurt him. It's sheer toxicity to claim children are "hurtful" if they choose to cut contact with abusive parents.

Why didn't she have her sister there. She tried to lie saying she hadn't seen her in years and the sister produces a photo proving her wrong.

That's a flat out lie. The photo was taken many years before, it wasn't recent, and they'd only met a handful of times since childhood.

It really says a lot that Meghan bashers defend Thomas Markle and even Samantha Grant to the absolute hilt.

‘Posing with black people ‘ is a very unpleasant comment.

The news at that time was RF were visiting communities to encourage people to speak to their GP about vaccine as there was a lower uptake, but higher numbers affected by covid.

Could spin it the other way to say Oprah show was timed to coincide with dates RF were visiting BME communities to create your view. Both views are silly though.

Please stop engaging in racism-denial.

*The threads before the wedding were some of the most vitriolic I've ever seen, and frequently contained overt racism. Meghan hadn't even done anything yet but people despised her - really furious outraged hate hate hate - from day one.

*There have been plenty of MN Meghan threads that contained direct racial abuse including posters using the N word typed out in full.

*Several of the most virulent anti-Meghan posters were well known as being racists long before Meghan came on the scene. It's hardly a coincidence that so many Meghan haters have a long history of posting hate about other black celebs, and/or goady and offensive statements about gollys, blackface, BLM, and a thousand other race-related issues.

*Posters who identify themselves as black receive much more personal abuse than posters who defend Meghan but don't disclose their race. Several posters have tried experiments where they've posted under two usernames, one "out" as being black, the other without mentioning their race, and seen a sharp difference in how each username was treated despite identical content and posting style.

*The 'other' forum (the main home for Meghan haters banned from MN) is insanely, insanely racist and harassed PatricksRun to the point she had to call the police, just because they were angry she lobbied for a black mumsnetter section.

And that's just on Mumsnet. Look on Twitter or other forums and the racial abuse is far more overt.

They knew he was unwell weeks before the wedding

Weeks? Was it? I remember it as days.
And you could hardly cancel it! It's the military, TV channels, marching bands, people flying in from all over the world. Rdiculous to say Meghan should've cancelled it, probably one of the most ridiculous things I've read on these threads.

What is this other forum people keep referring to? I assume not allowed to say as seems hush hush. Posing as different people on Mumsnet to confirm own views to themselves seems rather determined. How do you know this?

So utilising your own methods: if you change all the events that happened to Meghan, but don’t reveal her identity, disguised or changed - then you’d agree all her behaviours sound like someone that wanted to buckle down to royal life and work within the rules? Walk several steps behind William’s children and curtsy etc...

M didn’t grow up with the RF protocols as background day to day experience and not suited to being in the background. She should be happy she got the exposure she wanted and proceed without reference to a title from an institution she doesn’t like.

It's utterly despicable that simply pointing out "one time someone used the N word in a Meghan thread" and immediately Meghan haters rush to the report button.

Clearly you have an agenda to cover up proof of past racial abuse.

Thread deletion coming soon I should imagine.

I’d never report a post, so not me. I don’t hate anyone either. I do hate people lying though, not people that lie - two entirely different concepts and nuance is lost on some.

@ Ohforarainyday I don’t think anyone would deny that there are people who are racially motivated to dislike MM. However, it is perfectly possible to not approve of someone’s actions and to not particularly like them because of the way they behave. It is ridiculous to say that you only dislike someone because of their race. I do not automatically like everyone who is the same race as I am and I certainly do not automatically dislike people who are not of the same race as me. There are equally people who support MM who have meted out vile abuse to anyone who disagrees with them. Camilla Tominey of the Telegraph outlined horrendous threats and abuse that had been visited upon her and her family, including her children, by those who disagreed with her reporting. That is not a way to behave in a civilised society and it is not a way to overcome disagreements. It is disingenuous and wrong to accuse people of disapproving of someone purely because of their race.

It is disingenuous and wrong to accuse people of disapproving of someone purely because of their race.

No one has done that. Literally not once has anyone said ALL the hate is because of racism or that racism is the only factor (even though that false accusations gets chucked around a lot).

In fact the opposite is true - posters regularly make the outrageous claim that none of the hatred was racial, that Meghan's never been racially abused, that they've never seen a racist comment on MN, that racism is all just something black people make up so they can play the victim. Racism-denial is endemic on this forum.

No not all of it is inspired by racism but undeniably racism has been at least one factor and there's plenty of evidence that at least some posters have been motivated at least partly by racism.

[quote Cacacoisfarraige]@jakc

In the Oprah interview, Meghan said that "three days before our wedding, we got married". "No one knows that. But we called the archbishop, and we just said, 'Look, this thing, this spectacle is for the world, but we want our union between us,'" she said

Marriage is a legal ceremony. If they didn’t get married, they shouldn’t have said that.
She could have said ‘we exchanged private vows before the ceremony’ but she thought she was being clever[/quote]
The archbishop’s people have come forward and said that this never happened. In the UK you have to legally have witnesses to a marriage and so this never happened.
Meghan has been proven time and again to have a very loose grip on truth and facts.

'She has no contact with her sister who has also sold stories on her and written a book on her. Awful. One photo in decades... ok'

Yes those Markles have all been at it airing their grubby laundry. Just seems odd to be annoyed when a sister and df do it then go and do it yourself!! .

I think if you read my post it says exactly that. There is undoubtedly racism directed at MM. But a lot of people have been accused in here of being racist just because they don’t approve of MM. It works both ways and it is not helpful.

For god knows how long, I, and others, have said that there are some middle of the road posters who make valid points, their posts are interesting to read, they aren't fuelled by ridiculous assumptions based on hate and they add greatly to the discussions.

However, when people start squawking about being accused of racism because they assert that they've been called a racist because someone has said that everyone who dislikes Meghan is racist... it just drives away the decent posters. And it is untrue.

Yes, of course there's been an undercurrrent of racism in some posts by some contributors, but nowhere has anyone said that every single poster criticising Meghan is racist.

Honestly - do people ( UK) think that people are racist re MM I don''t - she was accepted very much onto the RF I am annoyed that she said that thing re racism and they did not name the person . That is a bit shit unless you can name the person .

Just seems odd to be annoyed when a sister and df do it then go and do it yourself!!

Like what?
Where and when did Meghan sell a personal and private letter to the DM that her father had written?