Omid Scodie says Meghan was wrong about Archie becoming a prince at birth

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He has publicly stated that Meghan was incorrect about her understanding of the protocol around Archie becoming a Prince.

Considering Omid seems to the M & H unofficial spokesperson, it is more than likely that Meghan now realises this is the case and his skin colour would not have been a deciding factor in it.

it does make you wonder why Harry did not explain it to her ? did he just not have a clue about about Royal protocol and succession, maybe he never needed to understand it. . Or was he so desperate to get her to marry him that he fed her a load of bull, i.e. our kids will be princesses and princes. Did he hope he could convince the queen to change protocol for his family?

Please don't get this thread deleted with comments which MN don't like, I am beginning to suspect there are posters who purposely troll M & H threads to ensure MN will delete them, so there is never a discussion allowed to stand..

'We could go round in circles yet again discussing what Sarah Ferguson did or didn’t do compared to Meghan and Harry. The fact remains that she (SF) never claimed that she wanted “freedom”and “independence from the RF whilst at the same time using her connections for money. She may well have actually used her connections in this way, but she didn’t pretend she wanted nothing to do with the RF at the same time.'

Exactly. Exploit royal connections fine to a point, they all do it. It is doing it whilst criticising the RF that is the shit bit.

'Where and when did Meghan sell a personal and private letter to the DM that her father had written?'

Honestly it's like pulling teeth. Not exactly the same correct! no letters were leaked but she blabbed on Oprah which is just as bad. Finding Freedom equally as grubby as anything the estranged Markles have done.

No need to be snarky! Your reach is soooo far and convoluted on connecting stuff up, I honestly don't know what you mean.
I had been discussing TM's letter. To me, no it was not so bad. MM never mentioned her father or sister anyway if we are talking family, which I was.

Teeth intact

Meghan had five friends who simultaneously agreed to talk about the letter to her father to the same publication - does anyone genuinely believe that was pure coincidence?

Postpone a Royal wedding literally a day or two before and all that entails?! As if !"

There is of course a precedent for this happening. On 10th Feb 2005, Clarence House announced that Charles and Camilla would get married on 8th April. Wedding invites were sent, including to other royal families and heads of state.

Pope John-Paul II died on 2nd April. On 4th April, Clarence House announced the wedding would be pushed back to 9th April so that Prince Charles could attend the funeral (representing the Queen). A number of their wedding guests (heads of state) also attended the funeral, so moving the date of the wedding avoided a clash.

It was rearranged at lightening speed, including the military/tv/security arrangements.

'I had been discussing TM's letter. To me, no it was not so bad. MM never mentioned her father or sister anyway if we are talking family, which I was.'

Well of course to you it wasn't as bad, however while I'm not a Thomas fan his side of it was he was defending himself as her pals had blabbed to a US rag riddled with alleged falsehoods criticising him.

Anyway, not sure how we can prove which is worse but a 2hr Oprah gossip flinging unsubstantiated allegations is surely up there with sharing private letters. There's not much in it tbh. As I and others have said the Markles all seem to take offence very easily and their solution is to air their gripes with the media. Maybe they all need a course in maintaining healthy family relationships and diplomacy .

I know that. But this was very different. It was one day's change.

I think it's fair enough to criticise Meghan for some things if that's what you feel... but to criticise her for not postpoing her wedding so her father could come is too much.

The press for her doing that would've been horrendous for starters.

@Roussette

For god knows how long, I, and others, have said that there are some middle of the road posters who make valid points, their posts are interesting to read, they aren't fuelled by ridiculous assumptions based on hate and they add greatly to the discussions.

However, when people start squawking about being accused of racism because they assert that they've been called a racist because someone has said that everyone who dislikes Meghan is racist... it just drives away the decent posters. And it is untrue.

Yes, of course there's been an undercurrrent of racism in some posts by some contributors, but nowhere has anyone said that every single poster criticising Meghan is racist.

But it is true. People are being called racist if they dislike Meghan. I've seen it many times on Mumsnet. I've it seen elsewhere.

there will be some people who don't like her due to racism. does not mean everyone who dislikes her is racist.

yes, Meghan’s behaviour - is worse than either her dad or sister. They’re attacking one individual person: her.

Meghan and Harry are dismissing a whole country saying UK is racist, describing the wedding ‘this spectacle’ as if they were forced into inviting all the macrobiotic diet people they didn’t know prior to the wedding - they could easily have had a private wedding and worked within the protocols, didn’t want to do that.

My dad died when I was 22. I can’t imagine there being anything that I couldn’t forgive. If H&M think themselves as Christians then they should be able to forgive her dad. I would give absolutely anything to have my dad back in my life. Dh’s mum walked out on him when he was 3, she literally just left one day and they had no contact until he was 21 and then she wanted to pretend like nothing had happened. He forgave her immediately and although he will never forget what she did, he knows he’d come to regret it one day if he hadn’t allowed her back into his life. If he can do that then I strongly believe MM should be able to forgive TM for what are much less hurtful and harmful parenting fails.

@Marmaladeagain so attacking one person is ok???
but daring to speak out against the RF is not?
that is an odd way to think.

'People are being called racist if they dislike Meghan. I've seen it many times on Mumsnet. I've it seen elsewhere.'

It's true, I'm surprised this thread is still here. We've entered a bizarre situation that everyone has been manipulated into thinking criticism is race based despite the actual appalling behaviour from H&M.

Rousette, you always debate very politely so I'll ask you directly. Do you think the Oprah thing was fair? Don't you think if they didn't like their privacy being breached then it really isn't fair to throw allegations at the RF? Isn't that breaching their privacy?

I do wonder if the Sussexes fans ever have a wobble/wake up and think 'ffs they are behaving appalling but still I can't let it go now so.. Sarah Ferguson and Prince andrew!'

I don't think anyone can judge someone who goes NC with their mother/father/parents. Walk a mile in their shoes....

Posting that you should forgive your parents in the Stately Homes thread would involve the internet melting!

'I don't think anyone can judge someone who goes NC with their mother/father/parents. Walk a mile in their shoes....'

Yes and the same applies to dc. No wonder Prince Charles stopped taking his calls.

It’s definitely not ok to judge someone for going NC with their parent (or anyone).

I get heartily sick of people telling me they’d have forgiven my father. That’s their choice. Mine is mine.

And I’d bet my last £5 if they’d actually been in my shoes they wouldn’t have.

Didn’t say it is ok.

I said attacking a whole country and ridiculing all the good will the U.K. public showed her at her wedding etc is ‘attacking’ a whole country. Implying that everyone watched a phoney wedding etc

Attacking is what Meghan and her family all do, if you go by sheer numbers of those offended - Meghan beats her dad and sister hands down.

The bestest at being rudest to the mostest amount of people - clear winner.

Didn’t say either is ok - said both belong on the stately homes threads - all show same exactly same family traits of (someone put it very well) above that they have to air problems in public and require audience validation - that is all of the Markles - best description I’ve seen.

Yes going no contact is best idea, I agree Charles was right to stop taking Harry’s calls, same as M is right to stay away from her family.

@JaniieJones agreed. Also do people not think that Charles may have been very hurt by their claims? He certainly looked very upset when he went to visit his father in hospital just after the interview. He must have had a lot in his plate. I say this in relation to Charles as a human being and not purely as a member of the RF. And then having it broadcast that talks between him and Harry had not been productive when surely those conversations should remain private unless both sides agree to them becoming public knowledge?

Janiie Seeing as you asked so nicely....

The OW interview... was it fair.
Well... the way I look at it is this. I think they were a couple of twats to do it because of the backlash. It will be spoken about on H&M threads in 20 years time
However, I think Meghan in particular was treated badly by both the press and the snobby courtiers (my opinion) and I think some of them briefed the press against her and how can you be happy and fight against the most efficient PR machine like the Monarchy has? I do think there was a culture clash too.
So I think they wanted to tell their story and I think they had a right to do so. But personally I wish they hadn't.

I don't like being called a 'Sussex fan'. I come on these threads because I think she, and to some extent, he... has been bullied relentlessly on here. There is a reason why MN had a few months without any H&M threads.. they literally did not have the manpower to keep deleting posts and threads. I have seen the most disgusting and revolting comments about them and I think it is wrong, it is unfair.

For what it's worth, (not directing this at you Janiie) but I'm not going to answer anything by anybody on this post.. I had enough trolling and following me round insulting me last year, to last me a lifetime, so I just wanted to respond to you. But won't be saying any more.

Onward and upward!

@Roussette

I don't think anyone can judge someone who goes NC with their mother/father/parents. Walk a mile in their shoes....

Posting that you should forgive your parents in the Stately Homes thread would involve the internet melting!

I’m not judging. I’m simply stating that we would be able to forgive. We have forgiven worse. It’s then a decision what kind of relationship you have with a parent when you have forgiven. Distant contact with rare meet ups are what is best for dh. Everyone is different @JustLyra, if you’re NC then you’re doing what’s right for you. But all I’m saying is that you have to realise that life is short and parents aren’t going to be around forever, so as long as you’d be happy not to ever see them again and never make peace then good luck to you.

if you’re NC then you’re doing what’s right for you. But all I’m saying is that you have to realise that life is short and parents aren’t going to be around forever, so as long as you’d be happy not to ever see them again and never make peace then good luck to you.

@MummyJ12 It’s downright insulting that people like yourself seem to assume those of us who are NC need basic life facts pointed out to us. It’s a clear suggestion that decisions were made without the care or time being taken to make them with thought.

You also have no idea if you’d forgive in MM’s shoes because you have no idea what the final straw was or how many previous issues there had been.

'However, I think Meghan in particular was treated badly by both the press and the snobby courtiers (my opinion) and I think some of them briefed the press against her and how can you be happy and fight against the most efficient PR machine like the Monarchy has? I do think there was a culture clash too.'

I agree the media can be toxic but again, they've all been through it. Camilla, Ferguson etc. A far better approach would have been a dignified silence. The mud slinging just seems at odds with how they they want to be treated themselves.

'I’m simply stating that we would be able to forgive. We have forgiven worse'

Yes wouldn't that be a far better optic. Then all their 'love always wins' guff would actually be believable. Think about the Queen's mh for example instead of their own for a change.