I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

I don't see the relevance of the "what about Andrew?" posts.

Very relevant AFAIC. Many many times other Royals are mentioned on M&H threads. And Andrew's relevance stems from the treatment he gets compared to H&M.

It's all tied up... he's kept his military patronages as a non working royal. Harry was stripped of his. That sort of thing.

I'm on an Andrew thread. There's little interest in him. Now I appreciate there's not much going on apart from his £220K Bentley and a case in court at the moment where he's being sued for £7million..... oh hang on, there is stuff going on 😂
It's amazing there isn't more in the UK press about it all.

Don't worry I'll shut up now

Storm
in order to try and shut down a discussion, the presumption from some is that to question H&M behaviour is to be approving of PA

I have never tried to shut down discussion. And I've never said that to question H&Ms behaviour means you (the collective you, not you) is approving of PA

It would be good if it turned into that rare beast - an RF thread that goes full distance

I'm all for that! I started one once last year, it went to 1,000 posts even when I got my arse handed to me on a plate a number of times

@CallmeHendricks

I don't see the relevance of the "what about Andrew?" posts. Start a thread about him if you like (and I know there are some out there) but his activities are nothing to do with Harry and Meghan.

I quite agree!

The thing is about Andrew, that after the very amusing interview, he did not keep on giving. Sure, there are questions to be answered and and no one doubts that he is clearly not the most squeaky clean of characters BUT he is not providing “entertainment” which H&M are doing, with Finding Freedom books, internet stuff, and even Oprah interviews.

Had they hunkered down we’d all have little to say. They keep themselves in the public - indeed Mumsnetter - eye so of course we discuss them more than PA.

And judging by the level of knowledge of the rf as well as M&H of some of their most fervent supporters, they are extremely interested in them too.

The thing is about Andrew, that after the very amusing interview, he did not keep on giving

I disagree. I don't want to bang on about it, but see my post about the latest news on him.

But financial shenanigans are not very colourful . No doubt interest will pick up if more emerges about his “personal” exploits (although sleazy stuff is a bit, well, sleazy ) but I still maintain that M&H’s fisticuffs with the rf offers far more entertainment.

I think the H&M business, ie moving away, doing an interview, which in their view was to put the record straight, has been blown out of all proportion by the press. I doubt very much if there is really a rift with 'the family', certainly nothing that cannot be repaired.

"I doubt very much if there is really a rift with 'the family', certainly nothing that cannot be repaired."

I'm afraid that is a very naive view.

I think that, unfortunately, there is a very real rift. How could there not be? Whichever view of the situation you take, lies have been told, very hurtful things have been said and done, and there have been real betrayals.

And no one needed the media's take on things to watch that interview and know that it was going to have serious repercussions.

@CallmeHendricks

And no one needed the media's take on things to watch that interview and know that it was going to have serious repercussions.

I watched it twice and thought it was quite reasonable. My thoughts at the time were that I hoped the royal family and others would take note and accept some responsibility, also resolve to change their attitudes somewhat.

And for all they made out they weren't criticising the Queen or Prince Philip, they nonetheless slammed the institution they've made their life's work for nearly 70 years.

I have never tried to shut down discussion. And I've never said that to question H&Ms behaviour means you (the collective you, not you) is approving of PA.

Rousette No, I don’t believe you have but there are one or two posters with a rather aggressive style of posting who I believe that it does apply to so it was more a moan in that general direction.

I'm all for that! I started one once last year, it went to 1,000 posts even when I got my arse handed to me on a plate a number of times grin

A well earned brownie point for you⭐️. I’ve also been there a few times with the arse/ plate thing .

I've just read something that suggests that Harry might have been shocked at the frosty reception he is said to have received on his recent trip back.
If true, I'm staggered that this was a surprise to him. How can he not have known that feathers would be severely ruffled?

I think Meghan is to Royal Family threads what trans is to Feminst board threads. It is the only subject that gains traction, any subject will circle back round to it. Any other subject will get a few posts, those trigger subjects are guaranteed to fill up thread after thread.

I've just thought about it really- twin Mumsnet obsessions. I suspect they are separate posters, but it would be interesting to see if there is a Venn diagram style overlap.

No point starting a thread about Andrew, only M&H threads attract the sheer number of posts and keep on going on and on.

Time to change the record?

There probably wasn't a rift before that interview / talk show. But there will be now and especially after the leaks. How can they trust him?

Harry might have been shocked by their reaction but seriously what did he expect, to be welcomed with open arms? How deluded is he?

I read he might not come back for Diana's statue unveiling.

If you've been in the Royal section longer than ten minutes you've seen posts defending Andrew. You've seen posts calling Virginia Guthrie a slut and a liar who's making it up for attention. You've seen the constant cries of "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY." You've seen the endless attempts to derail and twist the facts in order to defend him or downplay his alleged crimes. You've seen the really nasty personal attacks made on posters who believe he is guilty. The most recent Andrew thread is horrendous.

Reading those posts is deeply unpleasant for anyone and for me as a child sexual abuse survivor it is traumatic. So no, I am not going to take time out of my day to go and search out upsetting and traumatic posts, because hypocrites jump on every single word we say to scream PROOF PROOF PROOF while Meghan-haters and pro-royalists post reams and ream of utter crap and never offer a word of proof, never even respond to requests for proof.

It's no different from all the MRA types who constantly invade Feminist Chat demanding the posters there do the emotional labour of providing proof to support their concerns. Or the goady racists constantly demanding that black people provide proof that racism exists. I don't believe for a second that none of you have seen those posts, it's just an attempt to sealion. I'm not engaging with this deliberate wide-eyed disingenuousness.

People claiming not to have seen all the posts defending Andrew and calling Virginia Guthrie a lying attention-seeking slut either aren't reading those threads, or flat out lying.

Why change the record? There’s a reason some songs are hits! No thanks to last but one track on side two

@CallmeHendricks

I've just read something that suggests that Harry might have been shocked at the frosty reception he is said to have received on his recent trip back. If true, I'm staggered that this was a surprise to him. How can he not have known that feathers would be severely ruffled?

Where did you read that titbit?

I've just read something that suggests that Harry might have been shocked at the frosty reception he is said to have received on his recent trip back

How do we know if this is fact or just filler for a paper/clickbait. Suggesting something means to me, the latter.

Sigh. Posts like that are very few and far between. Are you trying to get this thread pulled? Why don’t you take a leaf out of Roussette’s book and argue stridently but in good spirit? Shrieking at people on this thread which is largely harmonious even if there is disagreement is inappropriate.

People claiming not to have seen all the posts defending Andrew and calling Virginia Guthrie a lying attention-seeking slut either aren't reading those threads, or flat out lying

Well.... I've linked one on here so absolutely no excuse now. There was a lot of "well... they were 17" (the victims).... until I linked to proof that some were 13 and 14.

But I refuse to C&P individual posts, one step too far. If you're interested enough you will find it.

I wonder if Harry’s resentments and feeling of victimhood are just so entrenched that he can’t conceive of another perspective. It seems bizarre that after that interview he could have thought anyone in the RF would be warm or welcoming - but could he have thought they would feel sorry for him? I got the feeling that he really believed he was entitled to 24hr taxpayer-funded security for life simply by virtue of who he is. Surely it must have been explained to him that wasn’t the case?! Maybe he was too angry and worked up about the situation to take it on board? Then when he realised the truth he saw it as yet another example of the RF’s unjust behaviour towards him?

Andrew gets less attention because he's white, and has the protection of the BRF and much of the media on his side.

I actually Twitter searched for royal stuff over the weekend, which I rarely do (I don't follow anyone on Twitter except people I know irl), because I was curious about what some of the posters here were claiming about Twitter. I found a handful of pro-Meghan accounts (who seem to mostly tweet nice photos and organise charity fundraisers). But most of what comes up if you search anything to do with Meghan or BRF is just hundreds and hundreds of abusive, racist conspiracy theory tweets: saying Meghan's clearly wearing a fake bump, that she didn't give birth to Archie, that Harry's not Archie's dad, endless racial comments about Archie's appearance (a tweet about Archie's nose changing was especially unpleasant), racist and abusive comments about Meghan's appearance, racial slurs - someone even drew a photo of shocked Royals visiting a zoo, with a drawing of Meghan as a gorilla. The drawing had a large number of likes.

All that, just because of one little pap photo.

It seems bizarre that after that interview he could have thought anyone in the RF would be warm or welcoming - but could he have thought they would feel sorry for him?

But we don't know this to be true?

Someone suggests... does not mean it is.

That is the trouble with these threads... one naff quote in the DM and people take it as fact. How on earth does anyone know what he is thinking or what the atmosphere is like behind closed doors. It's just made up as clickbait.