I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

"one naff quote in the DM and people take it as fact."

Who is taking it as fact? If you mean me, then please re-read my post where I was very cautious with my choice of words, using "suggests," "might," "is said to have" and "if true."

People don't seem to like PA baing mentioned on H&M threads.
Maybe its because it reminds people that what H&m have done is nothing in comparison.

@ohforarainyday

Andrew gets less attention because he's white, and has the protection of the BRF and much of the media on his side.

I actually Twitter searched for royal stuff over the weekend, which I rarely do (I don't follow anyone on Twitter except people I know irl), because I was curious about what some of the posters here were claiming about Twitter. I found a handful of pro-Meghan accounts (who seem to mostly tweet nice photos and organise charity fundraisers). But most of what comes up if you search anything to do with Meghan or BRF is just hundreds and hundreds of abusive, racist conspiracy theory tweets: saying Meghan's clearly wearing a fake bump, that she didn't give birth to Archie, that Harry's not Archie's dad, endless racial comments about Archie's appearance (a tweet about Archie's nose changing was especially unpleasant), racist and abusive comments about Meghan's appearance, racial slurs - someone even drew a photo of shocked Royals visiting a zoo, with a drawing of Meghan as a gorilla. The drawing had a large number of likes.

All that, just because of one little pap photo.

There is indeed a lot of nasty stuff on Twitter. About all sorts of people. What did you expect?

CallMeHendricks
No, I didn't mean you.

Maybe its because it reminds people that what H&m have done is nothing in comparison

Oh yes, Samcro, there is undoubtedly truth in that.

I know talking about PA comes across as derailing, trying to shut it down etc. But it really is not.
I can't begin to imagine what it would be like if Harry had delivered a £220,000 gas guzzling Bentley.

I talk about him because it is always contrast and compare.

"I can't begin to imagine what it would be like if Harry had delivered a £220,000 gas guzzling Bentley."

Well, that car he was collected from LAX in, certainly didn't look like it was particularly environmentally-friendly. No idea who owns it, and it never crossed my mind to compare it with Andrew's vehicle.

@Samcro

People don't seem to like PA baing mentioned on H&M threads. Maybe its because it reminds people that what H&m have done is nothing in comparison.

People can post what they like within talk guidelines. Meghan and Harry are not popular and Andrew is despised on here. You cannot make people like M&H. They are celebrities now. Liked or disliked for what they say and do. Liked or disliked for the the stories people write about them. Is it fair? Who said life is fair.

No need to be shocked at the phrase the bar is low.

Andrew has set it very low, so most people would be classed as better then him.

Doesn’t make their actions good, kind or thoughtful.

How on earth does anyone know what he is thinking or what the atmosphere is like behind closed doors.

No, we don’t know. There was a comment here, based on something in the press, and I responded to that. I didn’t intend to imply I took it as gospel, I was speculating on Harry’s frame of mind/perception of events.

I know talking about PA comes across as derailing, trying to shut it down etc. But it really is not.
I can't begin to imagine what it would be like if Harry had delivered a £220,000 gas guzzling Bentley*.
I talk about him because it is always contrast and compare.

But it's not really compare and contrast though is it?
I would have thought the situation for that would have to be if both PH/MM has a gas guzzling Bentley and PA has a gas guzzling Bentley and if it was looked upon favourably for PA to have one and unfavourably for PH/MM to have one - quite rightly a compare and contrast and discussion on the unfair treatment of that could be justified.

To my mind you can't do a compare and contrast on two/three completely different people in two completely different situations, there is no similarity/common denominator there to do a compare and contrast.

That doesn't detract from the seriousness of the allegations against Andrew but it also doesn't have any relevance to a thread which is about the likelihood of a reconciliation between PC/PW&PH.

It's naff all to do with PA.

Or is there a massive chunk of my thinking process that has gone AWOL?

I don’t like PA being mentioned because the discussion is about H and M. I think public opinion about PA is pretty unanimous. No one wants to see him ever carry out royal duties again. There’s not much to discuss really.

@Lauren15

I don’t like PA being mentioned because the discussion is about H and M. I think public opinion about PA is pretty unanimous. No one wants to see him ever carry out royal duties again. There’s not much to discuss really.

That's pretty much it!

An interesting post Storm. Because their position is completely unique.

Two men, both part of the royal family who were born into it, one left, one disgraced...both no longer working for 'the firm'

I know you say this is nothing to do with reconciliation but that strict subject matter is only touched upon in over 700 posts.

It's not like I'm comparing Simon Cowell or Boris Johnson with Harry.(now that would be funny!) I'm comparing the actions of two men in a truly unique position.

On this thread there's been talk about Anne, Phillip, Charles, William, lots about Beatrice, Eugenie, and even Zara and Peter. And obviously the RF as a whole. This thread has meandered all over the place....

@Lauren15

I don’t like PA being mentioned because the discussion is about H and M. I think public opinion about PA is pretty unanimous. No one wants to see him ever carry out royal duties again. There’s not much to discuss really.

I agree Lauren.

Completely different people and issues.

@StormzyinaTCup

I know talking about PA comes across as derailing, trying to shut it down etc. But it really is not. I can't begin to imagine what it would be like if Harry had delivered a £220,000 gas guzzling Bentley*. I talk about him because it is always contrast and compare.

But it's not really compare and contrast though is it?
I would have thought the situation for that would have to be if both PH/MM has a gas guzzling Bentley and PA has a gas guzzling Bentley and if it was looked upon favourably for PA to have one and unfavourably for PH/MM to have one - quite rightly a compare and contrast and discussion on the unfair treatment of that could be justified.

To my mind you can't do a compare and contrast on two/three completely different people in two completely different situations, there is no similarity/common denominator there to do a compare and contrast.

That doesn't detract from the seriousness of the allegations against Andrew but it also doesn't have any relevance to a thread which is about the likelihood of a reconciliation between PC/PW&PH.

It's naff all to do with PA.

Or is there a massive chunk of my thinking process that has gone AWOL?

Well said.

And that's the crux for me...
there is no similarity/common denominator there to do a compare and contrast

As I say, the common denominator is strong. Two members of the RF not now working for the RF. How they are individually treated is a matter of comparison. To me, anyway.

However... I will try and rein in the PA talk can't promise though lol

His head has been turned by a woman whose only real agenda is her own self aggrandisement at any cost

What a ridiculuous opinion. He fell in love with someone. He's a grown man FFS.

And the rest of your post is nasty and vindictive and based on loathing of them by you, and not worth commenting on because it's vile.

Still... never mind... it says far more about you than anything you've said.

I agree that Harry is "a very privileged , indulged and spoilt man. He’s never had to take responsibility for his behaviour before in any real way."
And I think that they have both embarrassed (and humiliated) his family on the world stage in a manner that will be very difficult to move on from. I don't know about Meghan, or whether she would particularly care about that, but I wonder if Harry will one day look back on that interview with Oprah and wonder what he was thinking to have agreed with it.

As I say, the common denominator is strong. Two members of the RF not now working for the RF. How they are individually treated is a matter of comparison. To me, anyway.

We will have to agree to disagree there as I'm still seeing it as apples and oranges.

I will add that although I said I believe there is no common denominator in their circumstances/situations, I do believe there is a common denominator shared between two of them in terms of their personalities.

@Roussette

And that's the crux for me... there is no similarity/common denominator there to do a compare and contrast

As I say, the common denominator is strong. Two members of the RF not now working for the RF. How they are individually treated is a matter of comparison. To me, anyway.

However... I will try and rein in the PA talk can't promise though lol

OK one was basically sacked, disappeared, and kept his head down.

The other left off his own accord, and has done nothing but grumble and moan about what it was like to be a full-time Royal.

The one who was sacked hasn't slagged off the Chief Exec and would like his job back eventually.
The other one would like the Chief Exec to keep paying his expenses even although he left for better opportunities.

The Chief Exec is saying nothing. Probably disgusted by one and deeply hurt by the other.

I would say, if pushed, that whilst both Andrew and Harry's actions have disrespected the institution of the Monarchy, only Harry has come out and verbally slagged it off as well. At least Andrew has kept his head down and his mouth shut recently (I'll give him a pass on the church interview, on account of it being about the death of his father).

I feel sorrier for her than I do him.
I think he completely blindsided her as well TBH, I think she had grand plans of modernising the family, and doing this and that, and rather than being her back down to the reality of it, he seems like he’s gone along with her.
I genuinely believe she didn’t know the limitations, she probably though that she had to do a few meet and greets and could still go to lion king premieres etc.
He however should have known better.

I sympathise a lot more with a woman saying she struggled in a new country and new environment, With a husband too ashamed to help her, than what appears to be an entitled man child complaining that daddy cut him off financially because he thought it was his birthright to be financially paid for, even when he’d abdicated the responsibility that came along with it.
During a pandemic. Read the room, Harry.
A mental health advocate too ashamed to seek mental health support for his wife! Pathetic

His head has been turned by a woman whose only real agenda is her own self aggrandisement at any cost

You know that for certain - how?

Meghan was doing pretty well for herself before Harry came on the scene, her star was in the ascendant and she would have gone to do even better. She gave up a heck of a lot for him.

All she has said is that she felt unsupported, did not receive the help she wanted at that time. Nothing nasty.

Good analogies Lockdown
Don't agree with them all but your post is good.

The Chief Exec and her team have protected one for decades but certainly not the other...