I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

I believe the newspapers which ran the Bentley story credited the Sun, they were not independent reports.

I noted the wording was very carefully written; they said PA left Prince Philip's funeral in the back of a new £220,000 Bentley, not that he actually owned it.

Some outlets added reports of the sale of the earlier model which sold for between £98,000 - £130,000 (depending on which outlet ran the story).

Interesting goldie

I only wish that some (not you) posters were so forensic in checking out facts when it's about Harry and/or Meghan.

Incidentally The Sun does call it his new Bentley.

Why do people believe things about Prince Andrew, but everything about M&H is a lie?

Perhaps because it's a useful deflection, just as it deflects from Charles's friendships with paedophiles?
FWIW I can't stand Andrew either, but I prefer to look at the principles and the whole picture rather than "playing personalities"

BTW I also wondered if the Bentley was someone else's - or even left him by his father perhaps - but it's said that it has Andrew's personalised number plate so maybe it really is his?

BTW I also wondered if the Bentley was someone else's - or even left him by his father perhaps - but it's said that it has Andrew's personalised number plate so maybe it really is his?

I did wonder too if it had been left to him by Prince Philip but if it had personalised plates then that would be a bit quick to have done that (legally )

@bluebell34567

it is silly to comment on a book that you haven't read.

you don't need to read the book. its been talked about so much on here. most of the people on here who have read it are the same posters who say they don't like them.

@StormzyinaTCup

BTW I also wondered if the Bentley was someone else's - or even left him by his father perhaps - but it's said that it has Andrew's personalised number plate so maybe it really is his?

I did wonder too if it had been left to him by Prince Philip but if it had personalised plates then that would be a bit quick to have done that (legally )

They'd maybe swapped the plates before now. Can you hold private plates if you not longer have a driving licence? PP gave up his licence a couple of years ago.

Maybe Andrew bought it with money left by his DDad.
Who knows, who really cares, when was it public knowledge what cars the RF own or drive?

you don't need to read the book - its been talked about so much on here

I wouldn't quite say that, Samcro; it's usually best to see these things for yourself if someone's interested enough, unless there's a very trustworthy source available

Personally I haven't read it - given the ludicrous prose quoted in the media I don't think I could stand it - but I admit the cheapskate in me was tempted when I saw reports that it's in the remaindered bin already and being sold for 99p

I bought it for dsis. She said it was hilarious and actually laughed out loud at some bits.

I think it's highly unlikely that the Royals (or many "celebrities" either) actually pay market price for things like cars. It's far more likely that they have the 'sleb' equivalent of a PCP plan.
They have access to a whole fleet of Landrovers, in the same way that a company will have a fleet of cars for their employees to use. They're not personally owned.
And for the Sun to say "his" car, will be a turn of phrase, in the same way people refer to their lease-plan cars as "theirs."

Maybe Andrew bought it with money left by his DDad

Doubtful given he drove it from the funeral?! Or was driven in it with it's personalised numberplate.

Who knows, who really cares, when was it public knowledge what cars the RF own or drive?

I imagine it's public knowledge. I should think he's brassic given he is being sued for £7M at the moment, the case is in court, who knows how he could afford that sort of car.

I think it's highly unlikely that the Royals (or many "celebrities" either) actually pay market price for things like cars

Very likely, yes - either that or they don't expect to pay at all

If Tom Bower's book's to be believed (and his resaerch sounds pretty decent) Charles at least regards invoices as an abomination and has form for blanking some with the temerity to send one

who knows how he could afford that sort of car

I suspect there's more than one answer to that () but I wouldn't count on ownership being a matter of public record, either for cars or anything else

Not with the exemption from the FoI Act which the family enjoy ...

Yes. All very opaque, you are right.

Amazing.

Every story about Meghan = obviously anything remotely negative is the gospel truth and clearly Meghan is phoning up the same tabloids who racially abused and harassed her for years to give them stories about herself because she's desperate to see her name in print despite being one of the most famous women in the world.

Every story about Andrew = how dare the press attack this poor alleged rapist who actively pursued the friendship of a convicted pedophile? INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and anyway underage teenage girls know exactly what they're doing she's probably just lying about having been raped for attention.

Some interesting comprehension skills you're exhibiting there, @ohforarainyday
Whilst there might be one or two extremists on these threads (in both camps), that's not the overall impression given at all as far as I can see.

@ohforarainyday

Amazing.

Every story about Meghan = obviously anything remotely negative is the gospel truth and clearly Meghan is phoning up the same tabloids who racially abused and harassed her for years to give them stories about herself because she's desperate to see her name in print despite being one of the most famous women in the world.

Every story about Andrew = how dare the press attack this poor alleged rapist who actively pursued the friendship of a convicted pedophile? INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY and anyway underage teenage girls know exactly what they're doing she's probably just lying about having been raped for attention.

Where are you seeing any posters say the likes of the 'every story about Andrew' @ohforarainyday? Any posts I see on him agree that he's disgusting. I think your post above is hugely misleading.

I'm afraid to say there was a thread where there was quite a few posters defending him in some sort of way. It was weird. Almost like... by defending him, they can criticise Harry as worse.
Or something like that... I really don't know.

@ohforarainyday - I don't recall seeing any posters say anything of the sort about the young women involved in the HW/GM/PA story - did you report and have @MNHQ banned such posters for these victim blaming, abhorrent views?

Is that thread here and can you link to those posts @Rousette? Plus 'there was once a thread where...' is, I'm afraid, not that convincing. I have seen you admit you got something wrong gracefully but not all posters do that and 'I remember this one thread' is flimsy stuff.

To defend Andrew's alleged (with an eye to the lawyers) behaviour is abhorrent. But I simply don't see what @ohforarainyday says happens on 'every story about Andrew' as at all accurate. Mentions of Andrew here routinely say he's disgusting. Still, any slur is fine in the cause of defending Harry and Meghan it seems.

Plus on the 'Harry is better than Andrew' point. Agreed, but - low bar or what??

Not flimsy at all.... @Skiptheheartsandflowers

Here is the thread. This is the one if I remember correctly. You need to read the whole thing, there's 700 posts.

Plus on the 'Harry is better than Andrew' point. Agreed, but - low bar or what??

I am shocked at that statement

No, it is not a low bar. You need to read up about Andrew... try his Wiki page for starters....
Corruption, Arms sales and Kazaksthan
Sunninghill sale for £3M more than it was worth to a dodgy ME billionaire
Backhanders and corruption
Sex allegations, friendship with a convicted paedophile

Yet you put Harry in the same category...

p.s. I'm not trawling through 700 posts to find the relevant ones. Besides which, it goes against talk guidelines.

I don't see the relevance of the "what about Andrew?" posts.
Start a thread about him if you like (and I know there are some out there) but his activities are nothing to do with Harry and Meghan.

For the record PA behaviour is disgraceful and he won’t be able to hide from it forever, once it all comes out and if he is found guilty of any part in those seedy and depraved going’s on then I will have no problem joining a thread about him to air my view.

However, they can and should be able to be talked about independently of each other without MM/PH thread being ‘but but but Prince Andrew...:’ in order to try and shut down a discussion, the presumption from some is that to question H&M behaviour is to be approving of PA. That just isn’t how it works.

There seems to be a lot of baggage being carried over from other threads and plopping itself down here on what is, on the whole, a fairly respectful thread. It would be good if it turned into that rare beast - an RF thread that goes full distance😮.

Yes, it’s preposterous to equate disapproving of M&H with approving of PA !!

Yes, ‘what about Andrew’ is an odd defence of M&H.

Although I certainly don’t think it is incumbent on them to do so, Meghan and Harry haven’t said anything critical about him. During the Oprah interview, Meghan actually mentioned visiting the Yorks (in the context of not knowing she’d have to curtsy to HMQ in private - the Yorks weren’t integral to the story).