I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

You actually sound very over involved in this. Are you OK?

That's actually rude. Detractors love saying this sort of thing.

Are you OK?
Is that you Meghan?
Are you being paid by H&M to post?

Always when they post just as much as others.

Yes, funny how they never call the posters responsible for starting the 500+ anti Meghan threads, or the non-stop extremist rage and hate (including screaming the N word), or the poster who admitted to having created 30 email accounts in order to register 30 new Mumsnet accounts to get around being banned, "overinvested" or "angry."

And of course we're back to the old tactic of whenever anyone provides evidence that Will and Kate (or any of the other royals) aren't perfect, the royalists immediately jump to personal insults and attacks as a form of derailing.

It's so predictable.

Royalists: We demand proof!
Royalists: YES PROOF NOW!!
Royalists: Liar liar liar!!
Non-royalists: Okay here you go here's the proof.
Royalists: OMG you actually went to the bother of googling what an overinvested nutcase you are get help loon!

While there is not any jurisdiction by The Monarchy or Cabinet Office over the use of the word ‘Royal’ overseas, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex do not intend to use ‘Sussex Royal’ or any iteration of the word ‘Royal’ in any territory (either within the UK or otherwise) when the transition occurs Spring 2020.

The Queen does not own the word”Royal”

Rude.

@Roussette

You actually sound very over involved in this. Are you OK?

That's actually rude. Detractors love saying this sort of thing.

Are you OK?
Is that you Meghan?
Are you being paid by H&M to post?

Always when they post just as much as others.

It isn't rude to worry about someone else. I think people making up stories that they then believe about people they don't know have a problem. That goes for both sides by the way.

If you look at my history I've posted positive, negative and neutral stuff about both "sides" in this drama. Personally the people I felt sorry for were the Queen and Prince Philip. Whatever else went on I don't think Prince Philips last days were made any easier by the Oprah show and I don't think it was positive for any of them.

As far as Harry and Meghan go I don't know why anyone is worried about them choosing to leave the royal family, it's a free country and I don't know why it has to be portrayed as a terrible betrayal or that they were driven out. If life in the RF in a foreign country then MM was reasonable to want to go home, obviously it would be difficult if he didn't want to go but he's a big boy and presumably he went because he wanted to.

I don't see the need for the drama or people who are totally uninvolved getting so het up about it.

@ohforarainyday

Just to mention, on the subject of the empty aircraft, that repositioning with no passengers ("deadheading") happens all the time, and I'm pretty sure it was said that's what took place here

The budget airline Flybe replaced the plane at short notice in order to swap it for one that had the Flybe branding on it, because they naturally wanted their branding in the photographs. If the press had not been invited, the flight would have gone ahead with the original plane which happened to be a Loganair plane and so had Loganair branding on it.

Eastern Airways (the company that owns Flybe) confirmed to the Scotsman that they had swapped the Loganair plane for the plane with Flybe branding on it, it's not rumour or tabloid reporting.

Roger Hage, General Manager of Eastern Airways, confirmed to the Scotsman that the Cambridge household had only contacted them to make the booking "late evening on Wednesday" (the flight was on Thursday) so again, there's direct official confirmation that they only booked the flights the night before they travelled, meaning they certainly had some other form of transport booked and changed their flight plans at the last minute.

So the planes being changed wasn't a decision William made?

The decision to book the flights was made late but you don't know the motivation?

That proves it all then doesn't it.

@ohforarainyday

And of course we're back to the old tactic of whenever anyone provides evidence that Will and Kate (or any of the other royals) aren't perfect, the royalists immediately jump to personal insults and attacks as a form of derailing.

It's so predictable.

Royalists: We demand proof!
Royalists: YES PROOF NOW!!
Royalists: Liar liar liar!!
Non-royalists: Okay here you go here's the proof.
Royalists: OMG you actually went to the bother of googling what an overinvested nutcase you are get help loon!

Both sides do it though don't they. People seem so over invested.

If you have theories why the Cambridge office decided to cancel their travel plans in order to phone up a budget airline the night before their substantial entourage were due to travel - and make a point of telling the airline the press would be present - coincidentally at the exact same moment Harry was being slated for taking private jets, I'm sure we'd love to hear them.

Interesting one of the royal reporters known to be "friendly" to the Cambridge household sent out a tweet at the time that's identical to some of the things currently being said on this thread, namely that all royal plans are made months in advance so the budget flights would have been booked months in advance and not in response to the private jet headlines. Of course Eastern Airway's statement to the Scotsman confirming they were booked the night before proves this is false. Goes to show royal plans aren't always made in advance.

I’m with @ancientgran - just someone who likes a bit of discussion about all this. I am not a name changer and have never had another account I’m certainly not a royalist and can see their warts very plainly, but also disappointed in M&H and their shenanigans.

I find it strange the depth of knowledge of some of the pro-M people - it must take hours of googling and researching to find a lot of this stuff. It almost seems a full-time job for some posters!

QED ! All that knowledge about flights!

@IrmaFayLear

I’m with *@ancientgran* - just someone who likes a bit of discussion about all this. I am not a name changer and have never had another account I’m certainly not a royalist and can see their warts very plainly, but also disappointed in M&H and their shenanigans.

I find it strange the depth of knowledge of some of the pro-M people - it must take hours of googling and researching to find a lot of this stuff. It almost seems a full-time job for some posters!

Glad I'm not alone.

I don't think I analyse my own kids, their partners and how they all get on as much as people seem to with these people they've probably never met.

Having said that DDIL hates other son's partner, no idea why but maybe if I investigated it enough I'd be able to explain it to everyone. Not sure it would resolve anything though so not worth the effort.

To be fair ohforarainy I haven’t seen anyone here post that they think the royal family is perfect. But there seems to be not a smidgen of acceptance from you, in any of your posts, that the couple themselves are also not perfect and have made mistakes. No one is perfect.

You surely must at least think that ‘the interview’ was not a good PR move?

Your posts come across as very defensive and an angry kick back against the monarchy (with not a lot of room for anything else). It makes it very difficult (for me anyway) to even want to try to respond to your posts.

Maybe this helpful list will be of service.

Starting 500+ threads with the sole purpose of attacking someone = obsessive.
Name-changing multiple times within a thread to sockpuppet to give the impression more people hate a celeb than actually do: obsessive.
Bragging about creating 30 email accounts to get around being banned, in order to continue posting hate: obsessive.
Researching what school a celeb's bridesmaid went to, to prove they'd only known each other since university and not high school: obsessive.
Setting up two entire separate forums because Mumsnet doesn't allow the level of hate you want to engage in: obsessive
Openly using those forums to debate what tactics to use to get fans of the celeb you hate deleted and banned, including admitting to name-changing to spam the report function: obsessive.
Admitting to having used AS to read everything a frequent poster has posted to try to dox them: obsessive.
Admitting to spending hours google image searching everyone who did a particular job in order to dox someone: obsessive.

Spending 30 seconds on google: not obsessive.

it must take hours of googling and researching to find a lot of this stuff

😂😂
The thing is.... one word that can be construed wrongly, one post made that can be twisted always is. I always check as far as I can because otherwise there is literally a queue at the door to have me back it up, explain myself, provide proof etc. (not you Irma)
Only the other day I posted about H&M giving back frogmore refurb monies. There are more than twenty press articles out there saying they did but oh no that's not enough, unless I could provide the actual receipts it didn't happen!

You gotta laugh, honest you have

@Roussette but that is the point isn't it, both sides get so OTT about it. It was well reported at the time that they repaid the money, right and proper I think, so why react if people demand proof?

I don't follow royal stuff, not a royalist but do respect the Queen and Prince Philip and I've always felt a bit sorry for Prince Charles as he seemed a bit sad to me so I'm glad he and Camilla had a happy ending.

Some of the detail that people go into, the deciding what motivation was in someone's mind for a particular action is just baffling.

@ohforarainyday

Maybe this helpful list will be of service.

Starting 500+ threads with the sole purpose of attacking someone = obsessive.
Name-changing multiple times within a thread to sockpuppet to give the impression more people hate a celeb than actually do: obsessive.
Bragging about creating 30 email accounts to get around being banned, in order to continue posting hate: obsessive.
Researching what school a celeb's bridesmaid went to, to prove they'd only known each other since university and not high school: obsessive.
Setting up two entire separate forums because Mumsnet doesn't allow the level of hate you want to engage in: obsessive
Openly using those forums to debate what tactics to use to get fans of the celeb you hate deleted and banned, including admitting to name-changing to spam the report function: obsessive.
Admitting to having used AS to read everything a frequent poster has posted to try to dox them: obsessive.
Admitting to spending hours google image searching everyone who did a particular job in order to dox someone: obsessive.

Spending 30 seconds on google: not obsessive.

I have no idea about any of that. Are you saying someone on here has done that? If they have then yes that is obsessive.

@IrmaFayLear

I’m with *@ancientgran* - just someone who likes a bit of discussion about all this. I am not a name changer and have never had another account I’m certainly not a royalist and can see their warts very plainly, but also disappointed in M&H and their shenanigans.

I find it strange the depth of knowledge of some of the pro-M people - it must take hours of googling and researching to find a lot of this stuff. It almost seems a full-time job for some posters!

You could say that on both sides. I am always amazed qt how much people who say they don't like the couple reqd and watch about them. Books, interviews the lot.

Yes ancientgran but I would be asked continually for proof, when it's out there in many articles. I say it's out there, have a look.
Not enough for some.
Along come more posters saying what I've said is a lie because I can't provide proof. And so on.

I think what it is... it becomes personal and a point scoring exercise against particular posters who are known to be more on the pro side. A wanting to catch someone out thing. Nothing to do with, for instance, actually wanting proof, but just a way to have a dig at someone. Pretty pathetic!

Which leads me on to Rainy's post.
Yes, all that happened.

[quote ancientgran]@Roussette but that is the point isn't it, both sides get so OTT about it. It was well reported at the time that they repaid the money, right and proper I think, so why react if people demand proof?

I don't follow royal stuff, not a royalist but do respect the Queen and Prince Philip and I've always felt a bit sorry for Prince Charles as he seemed a bit sad to me so I'm glad he and Camilla had a happy ending.

Some of the detail that people go into, the deciding what motivation was in someone's mind for a particular action is just baffling.[/quote]
Yes I agree. A lot of the stuff in the press is just bollocks really. And if a MNer created email accounts just to troll etc., they've got serious issues that go well beyond a H and M obsession.

I didn't follow any of the threads last year so can't comment on them BUT I did watch most of the Oprah interview so I guess my views are based on that. All the leaks, all the 'insider' information can be taken with a pinch of salt but when it comes from the mouths of H and M, you have to accept that as their views. And some of it was obviously untrue, and some of it was obviously going to hurt members of the RF. But it can't be denied that they actually said it!

Yes I agree sweetpea.

Listen to their words. That is the horses mouth. Not the rubbish press.

I didn't watch the interview, just seen bits on the news. I am aware that things can be edited to give a certain view so I don't even think hearing it from them always proves something.

I guess it's like a hobby to some people. I hope they are all happy, I hope it gets resolved, I know a DIL can cause issues because I've got one that does, I've also got one who is pretty well perfect and a SIL who is like my own. I know the difficult one has issues, has been on med etc but it doesn't really make it easier for everyone else.

Life isn't easy is it.

The royal court circular is published up to 8 weeks in advance and is available for anyone to search, from HERE. There was a note on the site which said events were currently removed following the death of Prince Philip (I would imagine that things have to be rescheduled due to the official period of mourning). The School21 visit was added as a future event on 8th Feb (the visit took place on 11th March).

For security reasons, the future events are published but not always with the name(s) of the royals who are attending.

All past royal appointments are available from the court circular, HERE. Private appointments are obviously not included.

I assume the "unqualified (person) with a history of being untrustworthy and quantifiably terrible at his job, to run their entire charitable foundation?" is Jason Knauf? I would think that recruitment for any organisation is handled by HR. I'm sure they must have been satisfied with his credentials/previous job references. His previous experience seems pretty relevant: LinkedIn profile.

ohforarainyday Remember when Harry was being slated for taking a private jet to the south of France (like they don't all travel by private jet constantly) and William's response was to cancel his existing travel plans to re-book the entire extended family plus staff and security onto a budget airline with less than 24 hours notice
There is no evidence of any other prior bookings/cancellations by any mode of transport. One reporter looked at how much a train ticket from Norfolk (Kings Lynn) to Aberdeen would have cost for the same departure date. The train was over £100 more expensive per ticket compared to the flight.

ohforarainyday a stunt that required the airline to fly two empty planes the length of the country because they knew that photographers would be present and wanted their own branded planes in shot, then invited the press to take photos....
There are no press photos? There are a few shots of the Cambridges walking away from the plane after they got off, which were taken by a passenger on the flight. The press used photos from an official visit to Germany in 2017 to accompany the story. There are also some grainy passenger shots of the royals doing the return leg on a Loganair branded plane.

ohforarainyday Why have two empty planes flown the length of the country, if the motivation was the environment?
Eastern Airways operates the Norwich to Aberdeen route on behalf of FlyBe. They swapped a Loganair branded plane for another type of jet with Flybe markings. The substitution involved an empty jet being flown 100 miles from Humberside to Norwich to operate the scheduled service with the royal party onboard. Loganair's own plane then flew empty to Aberdeen so it could operate the next flight back to Norwich. The total extra mileage was approx 500 miles (not "the length of the country"). Eastern Airways said they had chosen to switch the flight after finding out about the royal booking. They must have been quite miffed NOT to get any new pictures of the family with the branded plane in shot (hence the press using the old 2017 pictures). I doubt the royals had any knowledge of the plane switch.

Yes what @ohforarainyday said did happen, but it is a bit much when anyone on the thread is seen to slightly disagree with others that they are accused of doing all that.

If you think a poster is previously banned then report them- and isn’t doxxing an offence? Report that.

But accusing every poster you don’t like as doing all that is ridiculous.

The Cambridges set up the flight as a PR stunt that is for sure, with the help of their PR person, Simon Case.
Even the W&K reporter Camilla Tominey admitted that.

SC is the one who came up with the Brexit bus lie, was then deployed to the palace 2 months before the H&M wedding and left 2 months after the exit. He is back in parliament now and you can find pictures of his bespectacled, Barbour coat wearing self next to David Cameron pictures circa 'Tory sleaze' days.

The statements from the airline company were all over SM, because there were so many questions at the time regarding the budget airlines.

You don't have to dig for hours for that.

On top of everything, right after the rags did not print pics of MM talking to children at Wimbledon (they actually exist), K went the next few days to Wimbledon with her entourage and surrounded herself with them and Wimbledon kids and staff, and enjoyed being portrayed as in touch with the people unlike MM.

Then K&W were portrayed as sitting with the punters at a football match, when infact they were with godparents of their dc and other vetted people. The headlines said, this is how you do it, not like MM and Wimbledon.

All of this was done under SC.

Anyone with a spine would not let themselves be used like this against their brother, unless they actually authorise or agree with all this.

Yes Nishky it really isn't two camps.
For
Against.

I've said it a million times on these threads, there are many middle of the road posters whose views I often agree with. And I tell them so.