I wonder if reconciliation is possible?

[sunnyblackwidow]

With Prince Philip now gone, the queen not as robust as she once was and grieving her loss, Prince Charles looked distraught today, Harry with a new baby on the way, memories of Diana's funeral today....I wonder if now isn't the perfect time for them to just all get together show their love for each other and clear the air (perhaps without Meghan's presence as she seems to inflame things).

I think it'll be telling how long Harry chooses to stay in the UK before he returns to the US (a clear indication of whether he's willing to hang around for a little while to mend fences or rush back home to Meghan and Oprah and Gail) I really wish the best for them all, family is everything but I'm not holding my breath.

Amongst all these desperate protestations about how beautiful and rich and generally wonderful William and Kate are, have their fans found time to finally answer the question as to why they'd hire someone unqualified with a history of being untrustworthy and quantifiably terrible at his job, to run their entire charitable foundation?

Funny how I keep asking, and they keep ignoring.

Bit like how I kept asking the poster in the last thread for the "official" proof she claimed to have, to dead silence.

Racism and nonsensical gossip as usual. Meghan & Harry living rent-free in obsessive minds. You don't know the family or anything about them.

In 2021, that so many are still simply gullible click-bait fodder for trash right wing media is laughable.

Dislike of Meghan due to her Black heritage, fury that Harry married her, will likely still be the coven's topic in a year's time.

It's horrible, DeeDee, especially when you remember how the media was all over Meghan when she and Harry got engaged and the wonderful wedding they had. It didn't take long for them to start trashing her - and him, he had always been so popular.

I don't blame them one bit for speaking out or for going to live in America but I do think it is a shame that they felt they had to escape. I would love to see them and their children come here frequently.

I don't understand the dig about w and k hiring someone unqualified. I'm not ignoring it. I don't at all see what you mean.

I don't get it either.

@ohforarainyday

That visit to school 21 had been planned long before the Oprah interview, he didn’t just quickly schedule it

How sweet that you believe that.

Of course, the only other alternative is that Charles and William knew there was a good chance the racism would be raised in the interview, and that's why they both organised to be photographed with black people immediately afterwards.

Ridiculous. Formal royal visits are planned with precision and weeks/months in advance. Mainly for security. I was working somewhere that worked closely with a client who had a w and k visit. Snr member of Client later admitted he'd known for ages about the visit but was not able to say.

I think people have taken their defection to the states as deeply personal... A rejection of them.

I have never seen the issue with it... Why should Harry be tied to work he was born into and never consciously chose? He never asked to have to share his life with the public... And unfortunately he's had to share and be exposed at horrendous times eg Diana.

He's had a tragic life.. And I think he's got a totally free pass to do whatever he wants! Often it takes fresh eyes and new people to see how things are... And effect change.

@SevenAndMe Exactly how I feel, she and Harry could have been real go getters and taken the monarchy into the modern age such a shame it didn't work out.

@Whereisthewarmth agree

Seeing Harry at the funeral made me realise how much I miss him and wish he and Meghan hadn't left the royal family!

@Whereisthewarmth

I think people have taken their defection to the states as deeply personal... A rejection of them.

I have never seen the issue with it... Why should Harry be tied to work he was born into and never consciously chose? He never asked to have to share his life with the public... And unfortunately he's had to share and be exposed at horrendous times eg Diana.

He's had a tragic life.. And I think he's got a totally free pass to do whatever he wants! Often it takes fresh eyes and new people to see how things are... And effect change.

Yes of course he’s free to live his own life. It’s great if he is genuinely happy now and has found the right woman. I just don’t think you can divorce your family and dump everything you e ever known and BE happy. He has no purpose in life other than trying to be a good father and husband. Also why on earth can’t they stop the lecturing and complaining , the leaks and the tantrums and just go away and be QUIET? It seems they don’t really want privacy and a low key life at all. They want someone else to pay for their extremely lavish lifestyle and still complain it isn’t enough. The only people they genuinely seem to care for are themselves. They are causing immense hurt to their families and that doesn’t seem to bother them at all, so long as they get what they want. It’s incredibly selfish.

@Viviennemary

I think William and Kate are doing a wonderful job. Kate looked so beautiful and dignified. Her manners and general bearing are impeccable.

I love these sickly sweet quotes about K - in simple language you mean she looks very English / White of a certain class and presents herself as someone who has been schooled and trained on this presentation style for years. I am not impressed and it doesn't come as authentic to me anymore than Meghan has a celebrity style because of her training. They both play a role. I would be more surprised if she was any different.

He's had a tragic life.
Get a grip!

@lollipoprainbow

Seeing Harry at the funeral made me realise how much I miss him and wish he and Meghan hadn't left the royal family!

Yes, I miss him too. I think he and Meghan had a lot to offer, it's a shame things didn't work out for them here.

I can't help wondering how much he misses England and his family. I would think, quite a lot. Coming back here for that time must have brought it home to him too, he will probably be feeling a bit depressed now.

Hopefully he will come here regularly when all travelling restrictions are lifted.

I don’t understand why what VivienneMary said has such a white bias. The same could have been said on here about Michelle Obama or Baroness Lawrence couldn’t it? Meghan, herself whatever people think of her seems very poised.

Perhaps someone could explain please. Honest question....

just go away and be QUIET?

Because they are not allowed to be. Even if there is absolutely nothing from them, the press doesn't stop.
I've said this before but back when they moved from Canada to US, there was a six week period where no one heard a thing from them... so much so, they had been moved in for six weeks before anyone knew.
Did that stop the press or threads on here? No.
So do not blame them, blame the press for their clickbait.

@ohforarainyday

That visit to school 21 had been planned long before the Oprah interview, he didn’t just quickly schedule it

How sweet that you believe that.

Of course, the only other alternative is that Charles and William knew there was a good chance the racism would be raised in the interview, and that's why they both organised to be photographed with black people immediately afterwards.

You'd almost think they've never met anyone black before. It is hardly shocking that in a multi cultural city like London that being in contact with someone black is likely.

@ohforarainyday

Remember when Harry was being slated for taking a private jet to the south of France (like they don't all travel by private jet constantly) and William's response was to cancel his existing travel plans to re-book the entire extended family plus staff and security onto a budget airline with less than 24 hours notice, a stunt that required the airline to fly two empty planes the length of the country because they knew that photographers would be present and wanted their own branded planes in shot, then invited the press to take photos so they could run flattering articles about how wonderful thrifty William is compared to his awful planet-destroying pampered brother?

If William has the will and resources to pull off a PR stunt like that within 24 hours, there's no reason to assume it's beyond his staff to organise a visit to a black organisation in a week.

Not sure why people have to jump to nasty conclusions. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't want to have a competition with Harry but just thought, "Oh it isn't great doing all this private flying business, better change my plans."

Obviously suits some to make it some horrible Machiavellian plot.

None of us know what the motivation was so why pretend we do?

Some people have conveniently forgotten the SussexRoyal thing. They weren’t living and planning to continue living a back woods simple life in Canada, they were formalising their strategy to very much not take a back seat in royal affairs.

Not sure why people have to jump to nasty conclusions. Maybe, just maybe, he didn't want to have a competition with Harry but just thought, "Oh it isn't great doing all this private flying business, better change my plans."

Then why call the press and invite them to come take photos? Why inform the airline that photographers would be present? Why have two empty planes flown the length of the country, if the motivation was the environment? Why go back to regularly using private jets and the private helicopter the Queen gave them as soon as they'd enjoyed the good PR?

If these things are planned "months in advance" (they're not) how come Will and Kate were able to change their travel plans with less than 24 hours notice?

Just to mention, on the subject of the empty aircraft, that repositioning with no passengers ("deadheading") happens all the time, and I'm pretty sure it was said that's what took place here

I am of course well aware that it could have been a load of bull intended to cover what they'd done, but just wanted to chuck this in because once again we don't actually know

There will be different categories of royal visit surely. I'd class those as

'emergency' - so in response to a tragic event - these would happen at relatively short notice

'at request of government' - often these include overseas tours - the recent visit to Greece by PC and Camilla was a governmental request - presumably these have a particular window of opportunity and are planned in advance.

'in line with royal's interests' - the visit to Stratford 21 would seem to fall into this category as it was part of the Mentally Healthy school programme - I would envisage these are planned in advance. Normally these are added to the court circular eight weeks in advance of the event unless there are particular security issues or other challenges.

'at request' - if an organisation is requesting a royal visit they are advised to send a request in 6 months in advance for a general 'when you can fit it in' and a year in advance if the organisation is keen for a specific identified date..

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Just to mention, on the subject of the empty aircraft, that repositioning with no passengers ("deadheading") happens all the time, and I'm pretty sure it was said that's what took place here

I am of course well aware that it could have been a load of bull intended to cover what they'd done, but just wanted to chuck this in because once again we don't actually know

Your last comment sums it up, we don't actually know. People seem strangely convinced that their own made up version is absolute truth.

Reminds me of the madness when Diana died.

Just to mention, on the subject of the empty aircraft, that repositioning with no passengers ("deadheading") happens all the time, and I'm pretty sure it was said that's what took place here

The budget airline Flybe replaced the plane at short notice in order to swap it for one that had the Flybe branding on it, because they naturally wanted their branding in the photographs. If the press had not been invited, the flight would have gone ahead with the original plane which happened to be a Loganair plane and so had Loganair branding on it.

Eastern Airways (the company that owns Flybe) confirmed to the Scotsman that they had swapped the Loganair plane for the plane with Flybe branding on it, it's not rumour or tabloid reporting.

Roger Hage, General Manager of Eastern Airways, confirmed to the Scotsman that the Cambridge household had only contacted them to make the booking "late evening on Wednesday" (the flight was on Thursday) so again, there's direct official confirmation that they only booked the flights the night before they travelled, meaning they certainly had some other form of transport booked and changed their flight plans at the last minute.