Palace appoints external lawyers to probe MM bullying...

[Sprining]

Last week, in the lead up to Meghan and Harry’s eagerly anticipated Oprah interview, Palace sources were quoted as saying that the Palace was “prepared to retaliate with fresh disclosures about the couple’s behaviour if the monarchy is attacked”.

Great, so what next

External lawyers to probe bullying by other royals?
External lawyers to probe racism within RF?
External lawyers to probe whether there was disability discrimination in denying support for mental health?
External lawyers to problem Andrews behaviour and whether it broke public code of conduct (not criminal investigation, but did he bring us into disrepute type of stuff)?

Is this a vendetta or is RF finally going to be be subject to public accountability?

@stoneofDestiny
Fergie and Diana were no longer members of the family once they got divorced - would you expect ex in-laws to have you over to stay for Christmas? They both did very nicely financially though.

I would love for it to be clear what a ‘working’ royal means.

And the boundaries between family, family firm and public funded body.

Whom does our tax money go to? The family, a family firm or a public body?

And why don’t ‘working’ royals have employment contracts? After all, they are paid for by the public.

What are the health and safety procedures, maternity policies and grievance process etc. for a ‘working’ royal?

a toxic institution and a malicious couple

This seems like a fairly accurate description of those involved, to me. No one comes out of this with my respect (not that any of them will care )

“Meghan going to HR and asking for mental health support doesn’t make any sense at all. “

But if Meghan was having a serious medical emergency—they would look for help right away, I don’t understand why they couldn’t give her mental help.

Anyway, from what I read , she came to someone first and he told her to go to HR

[quote Billandben444]@stoneofDestiny
Fergie and Diana were no longer members of the family once they got divorced - would you expect ex in-laws to have you over to stay for Christmas? They both did very nicely financially though.[/quote]
Fergie didn't.

Exactly. The Palace's HR department would be for paid employees such as courtiers, chefs, ladies-in-waiting and so forth. Meghan was not "employed" in that capacity.
It seems as if she was asking the wrong people for help, and I think it was disingenuous of her to imply that they knocked her back out of spite or racism or whatever. However sympathetic they may (or may not) have been on a personal level, it was presumably beyond their remit. Harry should surely have known this.
It would be like me taking my car to the petrol station when it needed a service. "Sorry love, we don't do those."

I don’t understand why they couldn’t give her mental help

I interpretted her interview wording as meaning she wanted to physically go/get checked in somewhere residential and this is what they wouldn't allow, because of how this would look and/or the press would react.

@BitchAssBitch there also the valid argument that it takes a lot of security work to allow a royal to “check in” somewhere. They would need to do all sorts of sweeps, checks etc before she could go there. There’s every possibility she was actually told “it’s just not possible for you to do that, but we can get doctors to come to you” and she chose to interpret that as being denied help.

It also doesn't make sense to me that she would be denied help when, even 25 years ago, Diana reported how she had every shrink in London paraded in front of her to try to work out what was "wrong" with her (paraphrased from her interview).

I think it’s highly problematic. Why would you investigate 3 year old bullying allegations and not allegations of sex with a trafficked minor and complicity with a sexual abuser.

I’ve always thought the Firm were stupid, but what could possibly be more likely to: a. underline unequal treatment of Meghan and b. put Andrew under further scrutiny and potentially draw more women prepared to go on record against him. There are also allegations that Andrew bullied staff.

It certainly seems unlikely the family would refuse her the right to seek medical attention. Prince Charles seems just the sort of person who would want to help and ensure medical help was available as needed.

“Diana reported how she had every shrink in London paraded in front of her to try to work out what was "wrong" with her“

Maybe that’s was the probably but I have a feeling it has a lot to do with her citizenship

I think GPS generally advise that if you feel suicidal, you should immediately go to A&E.

It is not simply about getting a therapist to talk with, it could be her current environment was triggering and she needed round the clock supervision.

These are things that only a qualified medical expert can help with. If it was HR which made an assessment that she should not be able to check into a hospital, that raises serious concerns.

Bottom line is that this needs to be investigated in an open and transparent way.

My understanding of what she was asking for was checking into a residential unit. That’s what she was told she couldn’t do and I can see why (by their logic). A GP or private psychiatrist appointment is not necessarily the appropriate treatment for acute mental health crisis.

@Sprining I can tell you from my own experience that the GP sends you to A&E because they don’t have the experience or desire to deal with mental health crises properly. It’s not because A&E have some magical ticket to mental healthcare, it’s because no one knows how to deal with suicidality appropriately. A person with private medical care and access to private family doctors wouldn’t need to go to A&E because you can get an appropriate medical practitioner in front of you PDQ.

Possibly. It is also about round the clock supervision and being in a ‘safe’ neutral non-triggering environment.

I guess it would be the emergency equivalent in a private mental healthcare place which has qualified support structure?

It’s not so much that but that people who are suicidal you need full assessment by the mental health team at a hospital. They then make a decision about the most appropriate care, which in the most serious cases may mean admission. GPs don’t have much mental health training and anyway they’re not qualified to diagnose serious mental illnesses such as schizophrenia.

If you went the private route - a private GP or psychiatrist would still refer you to an inpatient unit like the Priory or the Nightgale.

That was to Teasoaked ^

I guess it would be the emergency equivalent in a private mental healthcare place which has qualified support structure?

Exactly.

[quote TeaSoakedDisasterMagnet]@BitchAssBitch there also the valid argument that it takes a lot of security work to allow a royal to “check in” somewhere. They would need to do all sorts of sweeps, checks etc before she could go there. There’s every possibility she was actually told “it’s just not possible for you to do that, but we can get doctors to come to you” and she chose to interpret that as being denied help.[/quote]
This.

Where did M want to "check in"? Most likely one of the luxury USA facilities. Minimum £2,000 per day, plus security logistics of who else is staying there? are M's security supposed to stay there too? also she's 5 months pregnant so how does she get maternity care?

Most likely one of the luxury USA facilities

Why the hell would that be most likely? I’d say Priory or Nightingale most likely as above.

It might have been too tricky in terms of security and unfortunately outpatient appointments even if offered at the palace are just not the same.

Fergie and Diana were no longer members of the family once they got divorced - would you expect ex in-laws to have you over to stay for Christmas?

The crassness of the situation was that Fergie was invited to stay in a cottage of the grounds at Balmoral - not in the main house - despite the fact there are 52 bedrooms in Balmoral Castle! So her kids could see she was 'ostracised'. That is an appalling way to behave. This is from the same Queen who has every dictator and Saudi Prince into her home with no difficulty.

@TatianaBis in my experience going to a&e for a mental health crisis meant I sat in the department for 6 hours waiting for a duty psychiatrist to ask me a handful of questions and then send me home, promising full help and never hearing from them again. I had taken a huge dose of around 40 anti-psychotic tablets and slashed my wrists. I’m really not sure that many people get the full mental health screen on going to a&e. In fact in my experience I was treated terribly before, during and after. I can’t think that Meghan would have been subjected to that.

@StoneofDestiny

Fergie and Diana were no longer members of the family once they got divorced - would you expect ex in-laws to have you over to stay for Christmas?

The crassness of the situation was that Fergie was invited to stay in a cottage of the grounds at Balmoral - not in the main house - despite the fact there are 52 bedrooms in Balmoral Castle! So her kids could see she was 'ostracised'. That is an appalling way to behave. This is from the same Queen who has every dictator and Saudi Prince into her home with no difficulty.

The Queen always spends Christmas at Sandringham, which isn't that big.

@TeaSoakedDisasterMagnet

Your story is why I think part of this interview was mostly about mental health (as we she is trying to explain why they ended up where they are now)