Harry has a lot to answer for.

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I think Harry has a lot to answer for in this whole debacle. He's a 35 year old man brought up as a Royal who should know how the whole thing works and how to ensure his wife is fully educated in the rules and regs. of being a Royal. She was his wife, why on earth was she going to HR at the Palace for help with mental health problems? Harry has loads of experience and the knowledge of where to get help, what on earth was he doing? Harry knows full well that there is a rule about not being given a royal title when it comes to Archie. Why didn't he explain this to Megan? It has absolutely nothing to do with Archie's skin colour. Why is Harry moaning about having their security removed given his father paid £4m for their security after the tax payer stopped paying after they moved to California?
It is not the Royal family's decision whither or not someone has The Metropolitan Police fly over to do security duties.
Prince William sorted the press out when they were making disparaging comments about Kate, why didn't he put his foot down as his brother did?

Thanks @Roussette. I totally get why you were so cross. I had someone fling accusations at me last week or so on another H&M thread. It was pulled before I had chance to respond and I felt the same. You are right though, some people do put posts up to derail threads and get them deleted.

And I see from your discussions that eckers also just made a genuine mistake.

Have a lovely weekend too thanks

I wonder if Charles and Madge tended to over compensate with Harry because of their guilt over Diana. Unfortunately that's led to a very immature and dependent adult who still expects to be looked after.

I don't know if the interview had the intention to hold the RF to ransom but if I was them, with all their piles of money is definitely come to a financial arrangement where they promise never to talk about RF publicly again.

I don’t think that would work - there is zero trust between the m&h and the RF now.

@Samcro Not sure if that was aimed at me, but my comment was referring to Rousette's remark that asking about a baby's skin tone is a racist insulting question which she applied to her own family setting. I can see the difference in your comparison

@SallyLockheart you don't think H&M would take the money or you don't think RF would trust them not to shut up?

Impatiens. I don't think the RF would trust them to shut up. I think the expression "give someone an inch, they take a mile" would apply to both of them. Sadly.

They promised to respect the Queen and uphold her values when they left - that promise was thoroughly trashed by bickering about titles, security, collaboration, public service and a coach and horses was driven through it by the Oprah interview AND the Gayle King comments.

@ImpatiensI

I wonder if Charles and Madge tended to over compensate with Harry because of their guilt over Diana. Unfortunately that's led to a very immature and dependent adult who still expects to be looked after.

I don't know if the interview had the intention to hold the RF to ransom but if I was them, with all their piles of money is definitely come to a financial arrangement where they promise never to talk about RF publicly again.

Wasn’t it more Diana, who over compensated with Harry? She is on record as saying she poured more love into him because HRH treated the boys differently.

He was 12, almost 13 when she died. I think part of him stopped developing at 12, right at the start of the teenage years. At the time when kids one minute think they’re 3 and the next they’re adults. Perhaps he’s had plenty of therapy but I don’t think he’s had the right sort tbh.

William was at a difficult age but far easier at 15 and a few months. Plus he had less of a dependence on his mother and more of an attachment to his wider family being the heir.

I am sure the family closed around him but I can imagine he had the inner conflict of his mum treating him as more special than William and the conflict of his reality as the spare.

Also, Meghan and Harry are taking it as read that the RF will not respond in public to whatever they say , nor sue. Hence all the outrageous whining in the interview - including many statements which can be disproved but which haven't been officially refuted by the Palace nor would the Palace go to court to sue.

Yes, I can see that's a problem @SallyLockheart, even if they got M&H to sign a legal agreement they might still break it, knowing that the RF won't want to sue.

Then again, they seem obsessed with money so if the agreement is for a, say, monthly allowance there won't be a need to sue - it'll just be that the money immediately stops if they say anything else about the RF?

I have a feeling that Diana was the stricter parent as well, based on many things I’ve read over the years. I think she was extremely hot on good manners etc and showing respect to people. I can imagine as well that Charles was over indulgent with both boys after losing their mother. I know of people who’ve lost spouses and tried to over compensate by spoiling their children. Any normal family would have pulled their children out of boarding school after losing their mother. I know the boys’ schools tried their best but nothing beats being at home in those circumstances. No wonder H needed therapy.

I think the bigger problem coming down the track once this has all died down is how H&M are going to create and sustain the kind of income they will need to live the lifestyle they have bought into.
They have sunk so many ships with the interview, you have to wonder what on earth they were thinking.
They will now not be invited to the kind of high profile events with senior RF that would appeal to broadcasters and the American public, they may never be invited again even to a low key gathering with the RF. They will no doubt become persona non grata.
So once they have wrung out the dollars for this bombshell, maybe covered the Diana story/childhood angle again they have very little left to offer. The US will move on to the next big hot thing, and I can see them really struggling.

Many Americans and brands love the Queen and RF and may not be keen to have the Sussex brand anywhere near them after this. I can see a big financial fall out coming from their decision to air their dirty laundry quite so spectacularly. It is now already yesterday's news, and I don't know how it could ever be worth it. There true and only value is their connection to the Queen, and now that has gone, perhaps forever.

If the main issue is money, and more money, this attitude of almost blackmailing the RF with revealing family secrets doesn't sit well with their compassion in action theme on Archewell.

Also, potential partners and sponsors are surely taking note of this grievance airing and grievance noting - most companies would be cautious that their confidential information would be released to the general public when it suits H&M.

@ImpatiensI

Yes, I can see that's a problem *@SallyLockheart*, even if they got M&H to sign a legal agreement they might still break it, knowing that the RF won't want to sue.

Then again, they seem obsessed with money so if the agreement is for a, say, monthly allowance there won't be a need to sue - it'll just be that the money immediately stops if they say anything else about the RF?

No if that went down that route. They would risk them. Going back for more and more money each time they the last amount was blown. The pair have expensive tastes.

*Their

@Itsalonghaul. Exactly. Or is the American market (which is their target) so very different from the UK that they are totally at ease with those standards of behaviour?

Anyone saying Meghan will simply pick up a multi million pound acting job (even though her suits job was not especially well paid by a - b list celebrities) is in cloud cuckoo she is pushing forty, and we all know what happens to Hollywood women after that magic number. It is a disgrace but a fact of life there. The revenue source is not obvious.

@Mummyoflittledragon I don't know much about his relationship with Diana, you could be right but then both of us could be right - when she died C and Q carried on where Diana left off, in an attempt to protect him and salve their guilt.

You're right, he is sort of like an overgrown teenager. He seems to have no thought for the consequences of his actions.

Digressing here, but I can't see their full value to Netflix. The kind of programmes they announced they would produce sounded worthy but boring to me. Mind you, I want entertainment from my netflix subscription - bring on Bridgerton, or a good crime drama (Lupin) etc

I think one of the big faux pas they committed was in making it pretty obvious that their commitment to the ‘streamers’ is motivated purely by greed. If I were negotiating their contract I would be wary. Their hearts aren’t in it. Neither really are their hearts in the charity work it seems. It’s just a vehicle to raise their profile so they can continue to trade off their Royal connections to make even more money.

Netflix wise the target audience for there type of mental health, lifestyle or whatever thing are the ones that they have just repulsed. The younger groups don't watch that stuff surely.

I think something like replacing Sharon Osbourne on that loose women like show. It it The Talk? Whoopi Goldberg is on their so it can't pay peanuts. Of course it would be on condition she continued to drop juicy tip bits about the royal family.

@Itsalonghaul

Anyone saying Meghan will simply pick up a multi million pound acting job (even though her suits job was not especially well paid by a - b list celebrities) is in cloud cuckoo she is pushing forty, and we all know what happens to Hollywood women after that magic number. It is a disgrace but a fact of life there. The revenue source is not obvious.

At nearly 40 she has only been in one real acting job anyway, and she wasn’t very good in that.

She must've been reasonably good at her acting job, she made a lot of money and Piers Morgan waxed lyrical about how wonderful she was in Suits. So I am not sure why say she wasn't very good at acting.

Spot on GoLightlyontheEarth

@Itsalonghaul

I think the bigger problem coming down the track once this has all died down is how H&M are going to create and sustain the kind of income they will need to live the lifestyle they have bought into. They have sunk so many ships with the interview, you have to wonder what on earth they were thinking. They will now not be invited to the kind of high profile events with senior RF that would appeal to broadcasters and the American public, they may never be invited again even to a low key gathering with the RF. They will no doubt become persona non grata. So once they have wrung out the dollars for this bombshell, maybe covered the Diana story/childhood angle again they have very little left to offer. The US will move on to the next big hot thing, and I can see them really struggling.

Many Americans and brands love the Queen and RF and may not be keen to have the Sussex brand anywhere near them after this. I can see a big financial fall out coming from their decision to air their dirty laundry quite so spectacularly. It is now already yesterday's news, and I don't know how it could ever be worth it. There true and only value is their connection to the Queen, and now that has gone, perhaps forever.

I agree In about 15 years they will be opening supermarkets

@Itsalonghaul
That's the big issue how are they going to sustain income. Depending on the lifestyle they want they could live of existing investments. But that won't have them keeping up with the Jones's.

If they want more money than that will bring in, Meghan could go back to acting or doing talk shows. Harry SAHD

If they split depending on Harry's mental state, return to Royal Duties.