What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

@user1481840227

Now she's made a formal complaint again pierce Morgan. What does she want from that?

It says it in every article what her complaint is about, so there's no great mystery! She didn't complain about the personal attack on her at all!

I am not a fun of Piers Morgan, but I don't really buy it either. Very smart of her to use the shield in the name of. Not for me to judge whether she suffered or not, but it is all me me me, so self serving. Ah those psychopathic traits there in front of you. It is short lived though, at least on this side of the pond.

@AirBubbleMe you don't need to read the Mail Online, can draw those conclusions just by watching the interview!!

Why didn’t PH call the person out at the time if rascist remarks were being made against his unborn child.

and seek an apology.

@Thewordgame

It would seem mumsnet is allowing all of this nonsense about the racism being non existent. Really selective hearing majority of you have. Mumsnet honestly reeks of white female/male privilege unfortunately

No one is saying the racism is non existent; quite the opposite. And I recognise that it can often be insidious.

With reference to the comment itself, more clarity at the time of the interview would have been helpful - or as other posters have said, H could have sought a private apology and not aired this all in the interview.

As has been pointed out on other threads, members of the RF could potentially launch a defamation action against H&M if they so chose.

Obligations don't just flow one way - and everyone needs to be very careful about language used and casting around casual and often damaging obligations.

accusations, not obligations!

Gadzookery

Yes you are denying racism existed for MM. read my post carefully. The press were blatantly racist towards her and her mother but the RF stood by and did nothing to stop it. To allow the racism to perpetuate whilst not doing anything to stop it the RF are complicit. Unfortunately if you yourself have never experienced prejudice or racism you will find it extremely easy to type absolute rubbish about it. As most mumsnetters do and mumsnet allow them to do it, knowing full well it is affecting this who have experienced racism and racist bullying. Shame on you mumsnet.

*those

Please read the first line of my post again.

I don’t understand why people can’t be more even-handed.

You can believe Meghan was the victim of racism and still think she did a few things wrong herself. I think the racist comment was made and frankly it wouldn’t be much of a surprise. But I still think Meghan and Harry have not conducted themselves well and that the basic problem was the dull, dutiful, second-fiddle life they were expected to live in the UK.

[quote ChocShot90]@Thewordgame Exactly. So many people on here like 'oh they've confused curiosity about the baby's skin colour with racism, they must be mistaken, it wasn't meant THAT way' which is unfortunately the whole basis of why people of colour don't come forward with racist claims, because people are too quick to assume they're being oversensitive or are mistaken.[/quote]
Can I ask a couple of questions please?

If a person says something without malice, but what they say is received as malice, is that racism?

And, something someone said from another thread.
If someone says to someone else, I like the colour of your skin, is that racist?

ChocShot90 let's just say there were a lot of tantrums, foot-stamping and entitled behaviours with no thought for the impact it might have on others. 'Shocking' was the adjective used.
This, from someone from a highly professional background who has worked with, and alongside, a diverse range of people.

I would like if someone was able to add up all the bad press stories kate , fergie , meghan diana got etc and any response from the palace,
People claim that they never backed Meghan but others have posted a couple occasions when they have
In general the palace don't respond to many stories at all.
If it was possible to compare that would show if Meghan was treated so much worse than any of the others
It appears to me the papers seem to trash mostly women marrying into the royal family , sometimes endlessly.
Granted some of the others haven't had family members also sell stories on them as Meghan had ,so that didn't help the situation .

The way Meghan specifically commented on Kate being called "Waity Katy" - why the need to repeat that specific press criticism? All of her other points were general. But it's a very good way of enabling her to criticise Kate for the only real thing that anyone can criticise her for. I thought that was rather unnecessary.

She did really seem to have it in for Kate. I wonder why.

@lightand The problem is, someone might say something and mean it without malice but if it's received with malice, it's hard for the recipient to know truly whether that malice it was received with was intended or not. However, it's kind of a victim blaming mentality to say that the person who received it with malice is the one in the wrong.

If someone says 'you're looking chunkier these days, it's suits you' with a smile on their face and the person it was said to perceives that as being called fat, but the person meant it with no malice, then is the other person reading too much into it and being oversensitive or was a veiled insult?

@Thewordgame

Gadzookery

Yes you are denying racism existed for MM. read my post carefully. The press were blatantly racist towards her and her mother but the RF stood by and did nothing to stop it. To allow the racism to perpetuate whilst not doing anything to stop it the RF are complicit. Unfortunately if you yourself have never experienced prejudice or racism you will find it extremely easy to type absolute rubbish about it. As most mumsnetters do and mumsnet allow them to do it, knowing full well it is affecting this who have experienced racism and racist bullying. Shame on you mumsnet.

I completely agree that MM suffered from Racism here, the press were awful and some member of the RF were probably racist too. She should absolutely speak out about it and it should be universally condemned However, being on the receiving end of Racism doesn’t automatically make her a nice person and/or completely truthful about everything else. I wasn’t keen on Diana either and she was white. It IS possible to not like MM and her behaviour and it’s not fair that any criticism is dismissed as solely down to Racism.

@IrmaFayLear

She did really seem to have it in for Kate. I wonder why.

Jealousy

I don’t know how Meghan wasn’t embarrassed to mention Kate over an argument about dresses. Crass woman.

@Thewordgame

Gadzookery

Yes you are denying racism existed for MM. read my post carefully. The press were blatantly racist towards her and her mother but the RF stood by and did nothing to stop it. To allow the racism to perpetuate whilst not doing anything to stop it the RF are complicit. Unfortunately if you yourself have never experienced prejudice or racism you will find it extremely easy to type absolute rubbish about it. As most mumsnetters do and mumsnet allow them to do it, knowing full well it is affecting this who have experienced racism and racist bullying. Shame on you mumsnet.

This isn’t true. Buckingham Palace issued a statement (I seem to remember 2) regarding it before they were married.

I would say it depends on the character of the person who had said those things.
If they say it was not meant with malice, and say I am sorry you perceived it as such, and that person's character is thought of as good, then it is pretty safe to assume that said person did not mean harm.

If on the other hand, that person 's character is not thought of as behaving well in the past, well there is at least some doubt that the person meant well.

@ChocShot90
Can I ask again my other question I asked, please? Thank you for replying to my first question.

And given that the "Waity Katy" remarks were years ago, and Kate is now the mother of 3 children and a working royal, why was Meghan, who has never even googled Harry, so familiar with them?

The question about Kate was direct, and necessary since it was repeated and made a big deal out of. So MM answered it, and set the record straight, as she should.

The waity Katie thing is still out there and people still talk about it.

The palace denied stories of Kate's botox, hair extensions, and other rubbish but could not deny character assassination.

I highly, highly doubt MM is jealous of , or even thinks about KM unless asked. An accomplished woman like her surely cannot be jealous of KM.

@Mummy195

The question about Kate was direct, and necessary since it was repeated and made a big deal out of. So MM answered it, and set the record straight, as she should.

The waity Katie thing is still out there and people still talk about it.

The palace denied stories of Kate's botox, hair extensions, and other rubbish but could not deny character assassination.

I highly, highly doubt MM is jealous of , or even thinks about KM unless asked. An accomplished woman like her surely cannot be jealous of KM.

I think there was probably a touch of the green eyed monster when MM realised that KM is higher up the pecking order.