What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

It does seem like he's created quite a grievance narrative. Maybe he just doesn't remember the positive, normal things that clearly happened?

I think that's right and also part of their Victimhood USP.

Thing is, if H is saying that Archie can have a proper normal childhood now, free from the constraints of being part of the RF, why are they banging on about him not being a Prince and claiming their concern is solely to do with their crucial need for security protection?

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ AirBubbleMe

William went through the same tragedy . I think some people forget that.
Diana was killed as her driver was drunk and she wasn’t wearing a seat belt .

Exactly that. If she had been wearing a seat belt, she would most probably have survived. The security person in the front passenger seat (who was wearing a seat belt) survived despite having either Diana or Dodi slamming into the back of his seat. Also, loads of children lose a parent, and manage to get on with their lives, without constantly harping on about it. And certainly without the support to which the princes would have had access.

The email stuff makes no sense. If I forward an email to someone, they have it. Even if it gets deleted in my email system. How is it s contradiction that some emails exist while others are deleted? Presumably many emails relevant to the case were deleted. Talk about looking for issues

Is there any evidence to suggest that Archie would not become a Prince when Charles becomes King ? I have seen this said on here and I know M alluded to it but has never heard this before .

I don't think Archie should be saddled with the title Prince anyway, what's the point when his parents have said they want to remove themselves from the RF?

Why Harry would lie about his childhood when he knows there’s photo evidences?

Who knows, what he's thinking but he's successfully made himself look daft. The Royals can guard their privacy when they want to. Massive estates with plenty opportunity for private family moments.
Ok they will also do photo opportunities for the press, in a bid to keep the rest of their lives private.

Even Buckingham Palace has massive grounds. Remember a few years ago the a the security thought Andrew was an intruder when he was strolling in the gardens.

Its almost like he's no negative about his early years that he can't remember the good times.

@Impatiens

It does seem like he's created quite a grievance narrative. Maybe he just doesn't remember the positive, normal things that clearly happened?

I think that's right and also part of their Victimhood USP.

Thing is, if H is saying that Archie can have a proper normal childhood now, free from the constraints of being part of the RF, why are they banging on about him not being a Prince and claiming their concern is solely to do with their crucial need for security protection?

She made it clear that she was told Archie would not have security without the title.

you cannot blame her for trustingly believing them, even if she had read the rules, she would have known that these rules can be changed, just as they were for Charlotte and Louis.

@Impatiens

I don't think Archie should be saddled with the title Prince anyway, what's the point when his parents have said they want to remove themselves from the RF?

MM already said, it would be up to Archie himself to decide that. It's his right.

@Oldbutstillgotit

Is there any evidence to suggest that Archie would not become a Prince when Charles becomes King ? I have seen this said on here and I know M alluded to it but has never heard this before .

They have been shading MM all along. I highly doubt they would release such a statement. She was there however, and was told us such.

@Sprining

The email stuff makes no sense. If I forward an email to someone, they have it. Even if it gets deleted in my email system. How is it s contradiction that some emails exist while others are deleted? Presumably many emails relevant to the case were deleted. Talk about looking for issues

Exactly !

Mummy195
They have been shading MM all along. I highly doubt they would release such a statement. She was there however, and was told us such.

I actually don’t know what that means ! Shading MM ?
I haven’t watched all the interview . Did H agree that the rules were to be changed ?

@Impatiens sorry yes MoS. I hope somebody looks into it.

@Sprining OK the email stuff. So Meghan was asked to provide palace emails to the court. She didn't, and gave the reason that they HAD to be deleted. These are all internal emails not personal jobbies like you'd send to a mate, they're more like work emails. The emails would potentially have shown that Meghan was being less than truthful about not having help composing an email to her father, that palace staff wrote it, and therefore it wasn't a 'private' correspondence and that was the crux of the case, of whether it went to trial. I think, though I'm a bit wooly on it because I wasn't really following it - the press v rich person doesn't interest me.

Now her friend has said there are loads of palace emails, but there can't be, if they HAD to be deleted. So either the friend is bullshitting, Meghan has bullshitted her friend, or Meghan has bullshitted Justice Warby.

I'm not 'looking for issues'. This is the high court, it is a very serious matter to destroy or lie about the existence of evidence. Much more serious than eg. arguing whether someone rode bikes as a child (he did, there are photos). Plus, it calls to character. I'm not saying that Meghan has lied, just that someone is not telling the truth.

It's his right

But what's the point? That was my question. What's the point of going round LA calling himself Prince Archie when he's never going to involved with the RF?

@Mummy195 I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

Am I the only person who thinks MM wants Archie to have a title so she can make money out of it?

And Harry is too besotted or daft to see it?
Harry knows having a title isn't the golden ticket and can be more of a hindrance than a help.

Impatiens
I agree . Zara and Peter have done just fine without titles .

@Lockdownbear I posted this link of a clip from 2018 on another thread, American comedian Godfrey would agree with you.

[quote redspecial]@Impatiens sorry yes MoS. I hope somebody looks into it.

@Sprining OK the email stuff. So Meghan was asked to provide palace emails to the court. She didn't, and gave the reason that they HAD to be deleted. These are all internal emails not personal jobbies like you'd send to a mate, they're more like work emails. The emails would potentially have shown that Meghan was being less than truthful about not having help composing an email to her father, that palace staff wrote it, and therefore it wasn't a 'private' correspondence and that was the crux of the case, of whether it went to trial. I think, though I'm a bit wooly on it because I wasn't really following it - the press v rich person doesn't interest me.

Now her friend has said there are loads of palace emails, but there can't be, if they HAD to be deleted. So either the friend is bullshitting, Meghan has bullshitted her friend, or Meghan has bullshitted Justice Warby.

I'm not 'looking for issues'. This is the high court, it is a very serious matter to destroy or lie about the existence of evidence. Much more serious than eg. arguing whether someone rode bikes as a child (he did, there are photos). Plus, it calls to character. I'm not saying that Meghan has lied, just that someone is not telling the truth.

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You are conflating two things.

She passed on emails about tights-gate to others to share her side of the story. Forwarded emails remain with friends.

Other emails which she didn’t forward to anyone else get deleted.

Whats the contradiction?

We tell people that if you are bullied at work, keep an email trail of specific emails related to that, save them somewhere as your work emails might be deleted.

So some are saved because she forwarded these. All her work inbox is deleted, as per policy.

Again you are off on a witchhunt here imo

[quote redspecial]@Mummy195 I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. [/quote]
Ooh I like that! Definitely stealing it.

@Lockdownbear

Am I the only person who thinks MM wants Archie to have a title so she can make money out of it?

And Harry is too besotted or daft to see it?
Harry knows having a title isn't the golden ticket and can be more of a hindrance than a help.

Yes you are the only one

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She made it clear that she was told Archie would not have security without the title.

I'm quite sceptical about that, to be honest. Common sense says that entitlement to security won't have anything to do with whether someone has a title, but whether (a) they need it and (b) they live in the UK and are working as part of the RF. And lo, apparently that is exactly how it works. She's not stupid, she can work these things out, and it really it isn't an issue on which anyone would have had any reason to mislead her.

@Impatiens

It's his right

But what's the point? That was my question. What's the point of going round LA calling himself Prince Archie when he's never going to involved with the RF?

God knows

@Mummy195

Their trump card is holding back who questioned the skin color of the baby.

Which gives the person the opportunity to come out themselves and explain themselves if they have to or apologise if they learnt anything. rather than their name being plastered out. they should be thankful for the opportunity. Many ppl would not be so thankful in that situation.

That assumes it was true. If it wasn't, they can hardly come out and explain.

A couple who share everything

Maybe his mood really changed after hearing this about his baby?

But according to Harry this happened before they were even married, let alone expecting a baby.

On a lighter note Jan Moir is on top form today .