What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

@Sprining no I'm not on a witch hunt, I'm asking a fair enough question which you are welcome to disagree with, I'm happy to be proved wrong actually, because the alternative is monstrous. For someone who has done so much damage, it at least deserves clarification.

You are saying that in the grip of anxiety/depression and suicidal thoughts she had the presence of mind to stash specific particular emails in case of a situation 18 months in the future? alrighty then.

ps. the man in the clip I linked to agrees with @Lockdownbear, she is not the only one. (from about 3 minutes in, watch what he says at the end).

This whole interview was for them to prove they were treated differently to his brother and Kate.
Lots of reasons why this is the case and the press have been vile to them, but the other things have been explained to them , but they still want these things anyway it seems. ?
That might sound muddled , hope it makes sense? Pay for your own security out of your apple products or Spotify deals , but Harry wants it all ! Mostly his dad to cough up a lot more.
It takes a bit of getting of watching and reading but that's what I've gleaned from all this.
I give way too much head space to it

@Impatiens

It's his right

But what's the point? That was my question. What's the point of going round LA calling himself Prince Archie when he's never going to involved with the RF?

I've just thought of another reason, so he can complete with Micheal Jackson's kids, but I'm a REAL Prince😂

Remember when Prince was a popular dogs name🤣

Yes, I agree that Harry feels hard done by and seem to have a particular bug to bear with his father. I thought it was common knowledge that only grandchildren of the reigning monarch in male descent were princes and princesses and that non-working royals and non-prince/princesses were not given security paid for by the taxpayer.

I am sure that Harry knows that, so he seems to be arguing for special treatment from the royal family and for more money from his father, which is incredibly spoilt and entitled. Its clear he sees both as as his birthright and thinks he could have been some sort of part time royal with a Hollywood lifestyle while still getting the money and privileges of a full time working royal.

I would love to see him address the issues of immense privilege and wealth that he has benefitted from since birth, instead of whining that he wants more money/titles/free security.

Meghan on the other hand seems to have a bugbear about Kate, judging by the times she mentioned her.

I wonder if all of this is about threatning the royal family for said money and titles for further "revelations"/interviews should they not comply. These are some of the worst things that anyone could say about their own family, particularly on international television. Its rather pathetic, coming from people nearly in their forties.

But they don't really have much else to offer, other than parading as the unanointed prince and princess of wokeness.

Oh, and Meghan's comments about downgrading the status of her son - well I thought everyone was aware that it has been discussed for a long time ways of slimming it down and streamlining the RF into more of a smaller Scandinavian model, more fit for this day and age.

I don't think the British taxpayer really has any great desire to fund two people living in America, one of whom spent only 18 months as a working royal.

But the way it was said is the way you suggest things in the minds of people who don't know much about the subject and who will tend to believe them as a result - such as a typical American who wouldn't know that much about the RF.

I found Meghan's remarks very duplicitous. She must know this has nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with keeping to the existing rules and further modernising and slimlineing the monarchy.

[quote Topmum66]@Cokie3 by that token and reasoning then you have been sexist by calling another woman sexist and misogynistic because she has an opinion contrary to yours.[/quote]
@Topmum66 I said her attitude was sexist and misogynistic because it was, not because her opinion differs from mine.

@redspecial
Wow! I had to switch him off earlier, LO was in the room. But he got the measure of MM before the wedding. And totally predicted the move back to LA.

Around the wedding I honestly thought they were lovely and her family should shut up. But now I'm thinking she is trouble. I'm actually feeling a little sorry for Harry.

My dads neighbour's dog was called Prince.
It was a popular name back in the day before people started calling them ' Dave'
My colleague today said that the rifts won't heal now and I feel it's true. The Baby is due in the summer so he won't be able to come back for anything for a while.

Will anyone ask how the Duke of Edinburgh is because they have all forgotten about him. A bit like covid is now on the back burner too.
Maybe Meghan thought that marrying a human prince would open doors for her. I think she may find out it's not as easy as that!

I think the rifts will only heel after Harry divorces MM. And I'm convinced it will happen sooner or later.

@Lockdownbear

I think the rifts will only heel after Harry divorces MM. And I'm convinced it will happen sooner or later.

A lot of people said it before the wedding too. It is sad to think these things ; I hope I'm wrong and they will be happy.

@Topmum66 I said her attitude was sexist and misogynistic because it was, not because her opinion differs from mine.

My attitude, as you call it, is my opinion of a single person. Nothing to do with her gender, just her attitude and actions. Surely we are all entitled to our opinions? You don't have to insult people just because you don't agree with them.

@GreenlandTheMovie

Oh, and Meghan's comments about downgrading the status of her son - well I thought everyone was aware that it has been discussed for a long time ways of slimming it down and streamlining the RF into more of a smaller Scandinavian model, more fit for this day and age.

I don't think the British taxpayer really has any great desire to fund two people living in America, one of whom spent only 18 months as a working royal.

But the way it was said is the way you suggest things in the minds of people who don't know much about the subject and who will tend to believe them as a result - such as a typical American who wouldn't know that much about the RF.

I found Meghan's remarks very duplicitous. She must know this has nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with keeping to the existing rules and further modernising and slimlineing the monarchy.

@GreenlandTheMovie I think it is your comments that are duplicitous and designed towards people who don't understand facts so take your agenda at face value.

Fact of the matter is it was Archie's BIRTHRIGHT that on Charles' ascendancy to the throne, he would have a title. And don't give me this 'slimming down' bs. Just.....don't. We are not all that gullible. It is such a convenient, such a very convenient excuse. The Queen with Charles enthusiasm changed the rules (and that's the thing, the rules can be changed by the Queen AT ANY TIME - they are NOT 'set in stone') to grant Charlotte AND Luis titles. Despite this 'slimming down the monarchy' - that had been in the works for at least a decade. But it clearly didn't count then.

But all of a sudden it counts now? Only either racists or those with an agenda against Meghan so will lap up any argument that is Confirmation Bias for their agenda, will lap that up.

Thinking people, will not.

I want to copy/paste a comment by a poster on this site who made this comment here on another thread about the 'oh but the media is slimming down so Meghan is being unreasonable!!!' vs the REALITY. I urge you to really cast aside your prejudice against Meghan and at least try to see it from this view. Then you just may understand - even if you still disagree with us - why some of us can see right through the 'slimming the monarchy down' b.u.l.l.s.h.i.t for what it truly is. Bullshit. And a convenient, but none-too-convincing excuse.

*"we used to have this huge pool in my local area of Virginia that has been around for years, when segregation became against the law, and more people who were not white started using the pool, the owner of the pool decided to pour concrete the pool because he did not want to share it . He claimed it is costly to maintained but black people were not fooled. They know exactly why he did it. And they were absolutely correct because my husband’s grandfather used to work there and knows the person. He specifically told him that he didn’t want to share the pool. He won’t admit it in public but he will admit it privately. People today still debated why he did it (on Facebook) white folks say”no, he did it because it was costly to maintain” black folks say no he did it because of Racism. And they argued back and forth. But it is from racism.

When you see things start getting taken away once a black person enter a picture, and it happens way too often, you know it’s racism . It’s no coincidence."*

@the80sweregreat It is sad to predict divorce. I've only predicted one divorce in my lifetime, the marriage lasted about 10 months.
I think babies are the only reason he is still with her.

The part of the statement that recollections may vary, suggests that there person has been identified and came out with their own version.

It's not like this was the case with MM bullying statement, which does not state anything about varying recollections.

I wonder if they’ll be invited to family events like Christmas and the queens anniversary thing next year if they are prepared to spill all to Oprah and millions of people.

I feel sorry for them both. I still don’t like them, they are totally self absorbed imo, that interview going out on a day that nurses will be taking another real world pay cut during a deadly pandemic. Extremely tone deaf. But they were clearly aiming in at an American audience.

The moist (sorry) nature of the interview (eg talking about who made who cry during wedding preparations) distracted from the impact they could have had talking about racism in the printed press that no one in power is prepared to actually do anything about.

@Oldbutstillgotit

Mummy195 They have been shading MM all along. I highly doubt they would release such a statement. She was there however, and was told us such.

I actually don’t know what that means ! Shading MM ?
I haven’t watched all the interview . Did H agree that the rules were to be changed ?

He was not there to go point by point confirming things. That is not what he was there for. He told his own story as he saw it, which was just the same as MM

@PowerhouseMamma

The biggest cruel thing they did to the British people in my view was not following the convention

Yes, for me this is where it took a nose dive. The RF know that you have to come out and smile snd wave to their subjects for a few minutes, get it out the way, then get back to what you are doing privately. If they don’t do that the Brits take this as a massive snub and start questioning their relevance. If you look at Wills he despised the press as a teen then learnt how to deal with them. Make nice, throw them a fish and you have them onside.

H went along with M’s wishes and the press and its readers viewed this as a “screw you” British plebs. That’s how I view their secret wedding. It’s a FU peasants. This is why a lot of people no longer like them.

This rings true for me as well.

@Impatiens

It's his right

But what's the point? That was my question. What's the point of going round LA calling himself Prince Archie when he's never going to involved with the RF?

She already explained what she was told.

He would not need to use Prince all the time, but he would be entitled to it, up to him how he uses it, and when. As long as he had his security.

@Onelifeonly You played the typical 'the woman is selfish and manipulative and controlling' and 'poor sidelined, controlled Harry' narrative.

Whether you want to accept it or not, by making her the villain and Harry the poor sidelined and controlled victim of the succubus evil woman with an agenda, who has no mind of his own and is being 'controlled' by the woman, that is misogyny. Clear, pure and simple. And I called it out. It is the same narrative when a man has an affair and he is considered 'stolen' property and the evil woman who 'stole' him is to blame.

You are victimising Harry and insinuating Meghan is a gold-digger who is controlling Harry. That is an infamously misogynistic 101.

If you are not comfortable with that, then don't have those views.

[quote redspecial]@Mummy195 I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. [/quote]
You don't sound as clever as you thing you do.

[quote redspecial]@Lockdownbear I posted this link of a clip from 2018 on another thread, American comedian Godfrey would agree with you.

[/quote] Can you stop re - posting bottom feeder videos of ppl that nobody knows. Are you trying to prove that black ppl can be crass?

No one knows who this is. Just a nobody riding on the lets hate MM boat to get some kind of clout. Never, ever heard of him. Don't think even most Americans have.

What is your point.

unfair to call on divorce really. Its clear their entire relationship has got off to a monumentally crap start, the first years should be the happiest before the glow wears off and the reality of daily life and the things that bug you kicks in.

@Lockdownbear if you're feeling sorry for Harry, think instead of everyone who's been so pleased to meet him and chat about their charity/cause thinking he was genuine and interested, and then think of his comment this week on how he really saw it. The thick ginger twat.

I hope they can be happy for the DC sake but then if they were happy it would have been a happy chat show, full of excitement and plans for the future. if not, at least they can't point the finger at it being down to anyone else. Now they are away from everything they disliked so much about their lives only time will tell. Wherever you go, you take yourself with you.

@OnelifeonlyYou played the typical 'the woman is selfish and manipulative and controlling' and 'poor sidelined, controlled Harry' narrative.

Whether you want to accept it or not, by making her the villain and Harry the poor sidelined and controlled victim of the succubus evil woman with an agenda, who has no mind of his own and is being 'controlled' by the woman, that is misogyny. Clear, pure and simple. And I called it out. It is the same narrative when a man has an affair and he is considered 'stolen' property and the evil woman who 'stole' him is to blame.

You are victimising Harry and insinuating Meghan is a gold-digger who is controlling Harry. That is an infamously misogynistic 101.

If you are not comfortable with that, then don't have those views.

Wow, lots of over interpretation there!

I posted it just for you @Mummy195. Happy Friday sweetie.