What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

The only reason people think Meghan's a bitch, a narcissist, difficult, is because they've been brainwashed by the media drip feeding poison and lies about her on a daily basis for years

Not me, I know someone - a smart, nuanced and careful person with a good reputation and not connected in any way with the RF - got to know her in a 'working' capacity (I'm being deliberately vague) and quickly came to rather negative conclusions (I'm being careful here) about her character.

Now she's made a formal complaint again pierce Morgan. What does she want from that?

It says it in every article what her complaint is about, so there's no great mystery! She didn't complain about the personal attack on her at all!

Whatever their motive sniggering up their sleeves at the gullible peasants enjoying a £32M sham circus was breathtaking in its arrogance

Yes, nasty and shameful. Although I did think Harry looked a bit embarrassed when MM said it. She, on the other hand, was just gleeful that she had somehow tricked us all - which, of course, it turns out she hadn't.

@VanillaIce

The hymns thing was weird. I’m sure at the chapel at Sandringham they have hymnals and at the big Westminster Abbey occasions they’re all holding orders of service. Why did she think she had to learn them?

Also, isn’t the national anthem one of the easiest to learn in the world? That’s like ten mins on YouTube - how is that daunting?

My only guess is that even if you don't know the words by heart it is helpful if you at least know the tune. But even at that no service has 30 hymns, the average service has about 5. Given the position she was in they'd have been nothing to stop her asking the Vicar, "what's this weeks hymns?" Listen to them a few times, with the hymn book, just to avoid completely singing out of tune.

My only guess is that even if you don't know the (anthem's) words by heart it is helpful if you at least know the tune

As an American I'd be surprised if she didn't already know the tune

In the US it's called My Country 'tis of Thee" - same music, different words - and it's often amusing to hear British visitors cry "They've nicked our anthem!!"

As an American, I only know 3 U.S. Anthems.

@Lucaslucas1612

I think she pointed this out in the interview. She wants to tell her truth and respond to what she sees as lies and unfair press against her.

Now she's made a formal complaint again pierce Morgan. What does she want from that? Is no one allowed to say anything critical about her without being sued or made a complaint against? It seems she can't have any scrutiny or negative press yet it's fine for her to do the same to others.

The issue is that "her truth" is totally Meghan-centric. Most of us have some awareness of the thoughts and needs of others and are able to accept differences of opinion

The fact that she will speak out against her husband's family in this way and, even afterwards, is launching complaints against Piers Morgan and briefing friends to speak to the media defending her concerns me that she genuinely thinks she must be beyond reproach

I wrote before, she is trying to raise awareness for mental health, she went after Pier because she feel he discouraging people to seek help by attacking her mental health

They earn their money from Kardashian style celebrity status; that's why they did the show.

They are typical of people who ignore all the privileges and advantages they have in life, and just want to focus on perceived slights and and take offence at anything. They come across as boorish and entitled.

Bringing up the fall-out with Kate was so petty - who cares? It was a stressful time and Kate and just had a baby, fallings out happen. Kate can't respond now because it will just look like she's playing tit-for-tat. However Kate sent flowers and apologised. The veiled insult too of referring to Kate as 'Waity Katy' designed to suggest that Kate was desperate in some way - was cruel and unkind. Playground mentality.

Ludicrous for MM to say she couldn't access help for her mental health - Harry's been having counselling for years - why would his wife/ partner doing the same be considered to reflect badly on the RF.

The business about having her passport taken off her - she went on numerous holidays around the world in the months leading up to the wedding - surely she would have to have shown her passport to border controls?

The alleged racism remark - as previously noted on this thread - it has not been substantiated and might just have been an off the cuff remark. I had a friend who married a man of Asian decent - we often speculated on whether their baby would have more of her ethnic background (white) or his. She didn't take offence - she joined in with the speculation. Just as when I was pregnant somone wondered whether the baby might get my husband's much darker skin or my more freckly white skin. Or his big nose or my more button nose and so on. No-one took offence.

Anyway, after MM's obvious lie (designed to ridicule the British public) that they got married three days before the real wedding I can't believe anything she says.

I also can't forget the accusations by a number of her former staff members of bullying, nor the tiara incident with Harry screaming at household staff "What Megan wants, Megan gets!"

Fredo

Ha! I was thinking of that earlier Koalababy when someone mentioned them coming over for Philip's 100th - Will grabs Harry's chubby cheeks and says 'you broke my heart!'

If reports are true, HMTQ is now going to reach out on a personal level to Harry. What a wise woman....and the best way to hopefully take the heat out of this whole sorry saga.

Where did you read that gadzook?

on the front of the Daily Mail....

Interesting, and very sensible of her. Hopefully she can get it through their thick skulls that their actions have hurt her as much as the intended targets.

I agree. By far the best way to handle it....The Queen is the grown up in the room and will be wanting to leave the way open for H, I'm sure.

[quote Puzzledandpissedoff]My only guess is that even if you don't know the (anthem's) words by heart it is helpful if you at least know the tune

As an American I'd be surprised if she didn't already know the tune

In the US it's called My Country 'tis of Thee" - same music, different words - and it's often amusing to hear British visitors cry "They've nicked our anthem!!"

[/quote] Please don't quote me and add words to what I said.

Read the whole of my post and you'll realise I was referring to all 30 hymns that she was supposed to have been asked to learn.
Others have pointed out churches have hymn books / orders of services she didn't need to learn them like a performing soloist.
But yes she probably would have looked silly on the balcony if she needed a hymn sheet for GSTQ.

It would seem mumsnet is allowing all of this nonsense about the racism being non existent. Really selective hearing majority of you have. Mumsnet honestly reeks of white female/male privilege unfortunately

@Gadzookery

If reports are true, HMTQ is now going to reach out on a personal level to Harry. What a wise woman....and the best way to hopefully take the heat out of this whole sorry saga.

I must admit that all this has really increased my respect for the Queen. She truly seems to know what kindness and compassion are.

@onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad

Whatever their motive sniggering up their sleeves at the gullible peasants enjoying a £32M sham circus was breathtaking in its arrogance

Yes, nasty and shameful. Although I did think Harry looked a bit embarrassed when MM said it. She, on the other hand, was just gleeful that she had somehow tricked us all - which, of course, it turns out she hadn't.

Especially when Eugenie has had to move her wedding to suit them in the first place! They are jus so without any empathy for others and unable to see how others might be affected by their actions and behaviour.

@onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad

They are typical of people who ignore all the privileges and advantages they have in life, and just want to focus on perceived slights and and take offence at anything. They come across as boorish and entitled.

Bringing up the fall-out with Kate was so petty - who cares? It was a stressful time and Kate and just had a baby, fallings out happen. Kate can't respond now because it will just look like she's playing tit-for-tat. However Kate sent flowers and apologised. The veiled insult too of referring to Kate as 'Waity Katy' designed to suggest that Kate was desperate in some way - was cruel and unkind. Playground mentality.

Ludicrous for MM to say she couldn't access help for her mental health - Harry's been having counselling for years - why would his wife/ partner doing the same be considered to reflect badly on the RF.

The business about having her passport taken off her - she went on numerous holidays around the world in the months leading up to the wedding - surely she would have to have shown her passport to border controls?

The alleged racism remark - as previously noted on this thread - it has not been substantiated and might just have been an off the cuff remark. I had a friend who married a man of Asian decent - we often speculated on whether their baby would have more of her ethnic background (white) or his. She didn't take offence - she joined in with the speculation. Just as when I was pregnant somone wondered whether the baby might get my husband's much darker skin or my more freckly white skin. Or his big nose or my more button nose and so on. No-one took offence.

Anyway, after MM's obvious lie (designed to ridicule the British public) that they got married three days before the real wedding I can't believe anything she says.

I also can't forget the accusations by a number of her former staff members of bullying, nor the tiara incident with Harry screaming at household staff "What Megan wants, Megan gets!"

This is just hilarious. You are spending far too much time on the Mail Online website 😂 😂 😂

@Snugglepiggy

That's my fear though.That all this exposure is just actually increasing the risk to them all.Harry talks incessantly about protecting his family but really the best way to do that would have been to genuinely take some time out.What a pressure to put yourself and your fragile wife under.

They did say they had asked to go to a Commonwealth country for a year to take time out but were told no. I think the Queen should have stepped in and asked them both to lie low for a year, and asked the Press to lay off. In the end I don’t think either of them were cut out for life as ‘working’ Royals. She is too thin skinned, and not a team player. She has strong opinions and wants to voice them, which doesn’t work in the RF. she hasn’t got a clue about The UK or its traditions etc and doesn’t seem interested either. Also she didn’t seem to like the hierarchy or accept the way it works, she wanted to be on an equal footing to Senior Royals which is patently ridiculous.

@Thewordgame Exactly. So many people on here like 'oh they've confused curiosity about the baby's skin colour with racism, they must be mistaken, it wasn't meant THAT way' which is unfortunately the whole basis of why people of colour don't come forward with racist claims, because people are too quick to assume they're being oversensitive or are mistaken.

@onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad What made her draw those conclusions so quickly?