What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

I think M was more jealous about how K was treated by The Press than anything else. She did get some stick but then was transformed into “Saint Kate” who never put a foot wrong, which to be fair she hasn’t.
I think M was genuinely baffled as to why someone like K could be more popular than her

The way Meghan specifically commented on Kate being called "Waity Katy" - why the need to repeat that specific press criticism? All of her other points were general. But it's a very good way of enabling her to criticise Kate for the only real thing that anyone can criticise her for. I thought that was rather unnecessary

I thought it was the type of tactic a teenager might engage in out of jealousy - I'll just subtly remind everyone about a nasty comment that was once made about that girl I'm jealous of without actually making the comment myself and then act all innocent: "Oh well it wasn't me that said it - other people did" but even so you've now actually drawn everyone's attention to it. Nasty, manipulative and underhand.

We got 'called out' on those sorts of behaviours by our peers when we were about 14 and in high school.

But @Mummy195 , the questions weren’t a surprise. They knew in advance what was to be discussed. It would have been “nicer” to have said, leave names out of it and cite other falsehoods which maybe weren’t refuted. Naming Kate and the row was a definite personal swipe.

@lightand what if you don't know the person's character?

Same applies to the second question. If someone said to me that they liked the colour of my skin, I would generally think that was a weird thing to say, wonder why they felt the need to mention it and that person was generally a bit tone deaf

@lightand For example, as a person of colour, I once experienced a new member of staff in my office. I met her 5 minutes before as she was being introduced to everyone. The member of staff then stopped and was talking to my colleague about politics. I was getting on with my work. She then asked me what my opinion was on what they were discussing and I said that I was sorry, I'd missed what they were talking about and asked her to repeat it. She said 'oh never mind, I wouldn't expect you to understand'. I was baffled as she had met me 5 minutes before and I had simply said 'hello, nice to meet you' so what had she made that judgement based on? The only conclusion I could draw as to why she had made that assumption about me within 5 minutes of meeting me was because of my skin colour. You could say that maybe she hadn't meant it as an insult, but to me it clearly was and I felt it had been meant as so.

The Kate comments were childish and petty - weddings are highly emotive at best of times never mind a Royal one. Brides take offence at the smallest thing ( stress and exhaustion) . I remember a groom making a bride cry when he lightly questioned the colour of the napkins .

@Thewordgame

It would seem mumsnet is allowing all of this nonsense about the racism being non existent. Really selective hearing majority of you have. Mumsnet honestly reeks of white female/male privilege unfortunately

I came on here thinking these threads are with the usual Mners, but it just dawned on me that we are dealing with blind gossip trolls who constantly put out lies, and you have to tediously trawl through them. On another thread someone even posted the most jaw droopingly rude and crass video to demonstrate how black people can be.

Racist and Tone deaf af.

I am torn between saying MN must remove or maybe leaving them on and we shame and expose MN for the racist platform that they are.

I came on here thinking these threads are with the usual Mners, but it just dawned on me that we are dealing with blind gossip trolls

Eh? How do you come to that conclusion? I'm no troll and am a regular mumsnetter. Been here years.

I thought the thread has been pretty measured. I couldn't care less what colour, class or sexuality a person is - if they behave badly - and I believe MM has - they should be called on it. I felt just the same about Diana when she aired her dirty laundry in public (which she later admitted to regretting) - I thought that was crass and awful for her children - and she was a white aristocrat.

Meghan was welcomed by the British public, millions was spent on her wedding, people (who she has since sniggered at) lined the streets of London and she was met with warmth and affection, Prince Charles walked her (looking very kindly and paternally at her I thought) down the aisle when her own father failed to show up. I just saw her as a regular woman at the time - just like anyone else.

But gradually I've seen actions and behaviours of hers that sit very uncomfortablly with me. I suspect that this was also the case behind closed doors.

Perhaps there's some EU threads missing your input and you can turn up and point and say "bigot" "racist" there too.

People have different opinions, some people wait to hear all sides of a picture before they take information as gospel.

Good of you to decide whether MN should let various threads stand and whether people with different opinions be able to express themselves.

It's simple tactic of trying to shut down debate. MN well used to those tactics.

@ onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad

Good post.

@onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad

Agree, good post. And don't forget Charles took Doria's hand also. That was spontaneous and inclusive.

Onemorecup good post. I thought the wedding was beautiful and authentic. I thought Prince Charles beamed with pride at walking Meghan down the aisle. I thought Meghan looked stunning and Harry was bursting with love. That night, in her halternecked dress, I thought she was breathtakingly beautiful.

Disappointing to know that for Meghan 'it was a spectacle for the world' (her words, not mine).

Any view of her I have now is based on words and actions I have observed.

And I wish she hadn't bothered with the 'spectacle' and had the quiet wedding she appears to have wanted. The taxpayers money spent could have been channelled to those who needed it more.

@onemorecupofcoffeefortheroad

I came on here thinking these threads are with the usual Mners, but it just dawned on me that we are dealing with blind gossip trolls

Eh? How do you come to that conclusion? I'm no troll and am a regular mumsnetter. Been here years.

I thought the thread has been pretty measured. I couldn't care less what colour, class or sexuality a person is - if they behave badly - and I believe MM has - they should be called on it. I felt just the same about Diana when she aired her dirty laundry in public (which she later admitted to regretting) - I thought that was crass and awful for her children - and she was a white aristocrat.

Meghan was welcomed by the British public, millions was spent on her wedding, people (who she has since sniggered at) lined the streets of London and she was met with warmth and affection, Prince Charles walked her (looking very kindly and paternally at her I thought) down the aisle when her own father failed to show up. I just saw her as a regular woman at the time - just like anyone else.

But gradually I've seen actions and behaviours of hers that sit very uncomfortablly with me. I suspect that this was also the case behind closed doors.

Well said. She was welcomed and many thought she'd be a good addition to the RF.

At the time many ignored her sisters noises and warnings but now I wonder does the sister have a point.

I don't think most people would go around saying i like the colour of your skin to people, like your hair , dress , make up maybe. It would be a strange thing to say in most circumstances. ( only one I could think was ok is if someone just had a spray tan)
But I don't agree every poster here is racist and thats the only reason they don't agree with her actions and its not right to assume that.
I don't agree on some of the things they said or agree with it all , but thats both of them.
Prior to this interview I didn't really have an opinion ,though meghan is a very attractive woman and certainly seemed Harry was besotted but that was as far as it goes,
I had ignored most of stories in the press as they are just a law to themselves and it is about time we addressed them fall stop , even with covid etc at times they just have bern absurd

Ylou could argue we get the press we deserve. People read the rubbish. They are a forum for debate. They ight get some things wrong but good investigative journalism is vital.

@TonyGates

Onemorecup good post. I thought the wedding was beautiful and authentic. I thought Prince Charles beamed with pride at walking Meghan down the aisle. I thought Meghan looked stunning and Harry was bursting with love. That night, in her halternecked dress, I thought she was breathtakingly beautiful.

Disappointing to know that for Meghan 'it was a spectacle for the world' (her words, not mine).

Any view of her I have now is based on words and actions I have observed.

And I wish she hadn't bothered with the 'spectacle' and had the quiet wedding she appears to have wanted. The taxpayers money spent could have been channelled to those who needed it more.

I agree that bit was a sorry thing to hear. And quite expensive too as I chipped in for it too as a UK taxpayer. Why not have a low key wedding like the one she cherishes now and donate the £32m to charity?

I think she got carried away inside the cosiness of the chicken shed, and showed her colours. Funny to see, how when the guard went down a bit you could see more of her act. There was an opportunity to catch this at the editing but I guess they don't care and in particular Harry did not stop it.
Not that she cares as she is talking to the US public not us here in the UK, where the public, for various reasons, will be much harder to win and attract to the Spotify podcasts that will pay for their luxuries.

I think she got carried away inside the cosiness of the chicken shed, and showed her colours. Funny to see, how when the guard went down a bit you could see more of her act. There was an opportunity to catch this at the editing but I guess they don't care and in particular Harry did not stop it.

What do you mean?

Look at this photo - I think it shows affection

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If your fil had made these alleged comments would you want him to walk you down the aisle? Harry says the comments were made before they married, Meghan says when pregnant. If comments were made I don’t think it’s Charles.

And I’m an ex solicitor so I generally wait to hear both sides. The truth is generally somewhere in the middle. Btw I’m not saying comments weren’t made but just I’ve not heard both sides to make a judgement.

I think think it's W.

They want to keep onside with current & next Monarch-after that, not so much!

“If your fil had made these alleged comments would you want him to walk you down the aisle? Harry says the comments were made before they married, Meghan says when pregnant. If comments were made I don’t think it’s Charles”

Probably not Charles, but he isn’t the only royal in the family, it could be anyone

Although, My husband did tell me that my mother in law told him not to get me pregnant, he could have deaf children and that was when we are dating.she never told me personally though, the source came from my husband and I believe him. When I got pregnant, she expressed her concerns again. But disability is understandable, racism is not.

What if the comment was along the lines 'have you considered that your future children might have darker skin than you Harry, will you be able to cope with the racism they will likely face' ?

No one is saying that everyone on this thread is racist or that if you don't like Meghan it's because you're racist. I'm saying that the press coverage of her in a lot of cases (e.g - her and Harry walking out of hospital with a baby monkey) has been racist and that the Royal Family were poor to allow that/not call it out. I don't know Meghan, she may or may not be a nice person, but as a member of a royal family at the time, the racism should have been called out for what it was and stopped. No one can say that just because the RF don't comment on media stories, that it wasn't within their power to stop it. It doesn't just hurt her and Harry, it hurts us all because we all see and hear it, the same way we all see and hear it when people deny there's an issue.

@ChocShot90

No one is saying that everyone on this thread is racist or that if you don't like Meghan it's because you're racist. I'm saying that the press coverage of her in a lot of cases (e.g - her and Harry walking out of hospital with a baby monkey) has been racist and that the Royal Family were poor to allow that/not call it out. I don't know Meghan, she may or may not be a nice person, but as a member of a royal family at the time, the racism should have been called out for what it was and stopped. No one can say that just because the RF don't comment on media stories, that it wasn't within their power to stop it. It doesn't just hurt her and Harry, it hurts us all because we all see and hear it, the same way we all see and hear it when people deny there's an issue.

Good point chocshot, maybe that was her point that rude and racist isn’t the same... they may have let baseless gossipy rubbish go by without comment but there should have been zero tolerance for racism.