What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

Yes, journos do fact check. Fact.

That's rubbish @Gadzookery

They are supposed to, but I can assure you they do not. I am asked to comment in the press frequently. The journalists always want to put the words into my mouth and, because I have then 'quoted' those words, that is taken as fact. For that very reason I appear less in the press than I used to before the rule change - because I push back give my independent opinion and it does not fit the paper's narrative.

YMMV. You're also talking about misquoting of reported speech.

So Doria does not have her own life.

Wow, if my child called me up and said they had MH issues, I'd be on the next plane over. I certainly wouldn't be saying I've got my own life. Doria could have come over and supported her in her crisis. I believe SW's specialising in MH know exactly who to go to and what a person needs.

@Scubadivinginabox

Meghan wanted her big Diana victim confession interview. She wanted to be Diana 2.0 said her best friend, now ghosted. (Reported in The Telegraph today). Contrary to what Meghan said in the interview, she was obsessed with the Royal Family and had a well thumbed copy of Diana: My True Story on her shelves before she met Harry. Which is creepy when you think about it. Meghan isn't the victim in all of this. She's a class manipulator and will get what she wants no matter who she hurts in the process.

You are so scarily close to the mark @Scubadivinginabox without realising why.

Remember the painting of the fishes, from largest to smallest eating each other. Each smaller fish not seeing what is behind it.

Oprah eats Meghan eats Harry.

Mark my words in the days that follow, Oprah will be unveiled.

Journalists have to have impeccable sources, otherwise creditability is lost

Up to a point yes, but that's why I mentioned "too much of the media" rather than all of them.
Unfortunately, while some genuinely do try to deal in verifiable facts, others publish whatever clickbait suits - though carefully worded to avoid lawsuits - in the hope the revenue will outweigh any loss of credibility

After all, were this not so we'd be able to believe every word printed in the tabloids

I suspect getting back in but on their terms. So being able to attend all the high profile glammer events without having to tour a sausage factory in Blackpool etc
Their trump card is holding back who questioned the skin color of the baby.
That's why harry made such a point of hoping to rebuild relations, so it doesn't look odd when he attends Philip's 100rd
They know without solid royal connections they will lose their appeal in a few years. They have to maintain links to maintain relevance
They never wanted fully out, just out of the boring crap and the scrutiny the accountability
I don't blame them, they have played a blinder with this. The RF won't be able to say or do a word against them now with the threat of leaking who the offending person was.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Journalists have to have impeccable sources, otherwise creditability is lost

Up to a point yes, but that's why I mentioned "too much of the media" rather than all of them.
Unfortunately, while some genuinely do try to deal in verifiable facts, others publish whatever clickbait suits - though carefully worded to avoid lawsuits - in the hope the revenue will outweigh any loss of credibility

After all, were this not so we'd be able to believe every word printed in the tabloids

Point taken @Puzzledandpissedoff.

Agree that the truth can be stretched - sometimes too often. However much tabloid reporting - esp re: MM bullying claims last year or so may - be borne out in the months to come.

@PowerhouseMamma

So Doria does not have her own life.

Wow, if my child called me up and said they had MH issues, I'd be on the next plane over. I certainly wouldn't be saying I've got my own life. Doria could have come over and supported her in her crisis. I believe SW's specialising in MH know exactly who to go to and what a person needs.

Of course she would have come, it's nonsense.

Oh we are attacking her mom now?

@SmellsLikeBacon

Neither is learning these 30 hymns she mentioned as part of that 'nobody helped me' scene she played out Which hymns are 30 hymns and what is the significance?

You know don't need to learn '30 hymns' That's what hymnals are for. You probably should learn the national anthem of the country that made you a duchess though, and you don't need an aide or lessons for that.

without having to tour a sausage factory in Blackpool 😂

@workshy44

I suspect getting back in but on their terms. So being able to attend all the high profile glammer events without having to tour a sausage factory in Blackpool etc Their trump card is holding back who questioned the skin color of the baby. That's why harry made such a point of hoping to rebuild relations, so it doesn't look odd when he attends Philip's 100rd They know without solid royal connections they will lose their appeal in a few years. They have to maintain links to maintain relevance They never wanted fully out, just out of the boring crap and the scrutiny the accountability I don't blame them, they have played a blinder with this. The RF won't be able to say or do a word against them now with the threat of leaking who the offending person was.

Their trump card is holding back who questioned the skin color of the baby.

And only because this interview was free. Meghan will reveal it one day soon, when paid $100m by an obscure company registered in Delaware with undisclosed links to trusts in the Bahamas, of which someone somewhere in the world is a beneficiary. Oprah, potentially.

I don't think I would welcome them back as working royals.

Oh we are attacking her mom now?

Not at all. I am saying that if MM's MH was so bad, why didn't H or M call on her qualified mum to come over and make sure she got the help she needed. Doria is a qualified SW in the mental health sector.

Most of Meghan's claims do not add up.

@PowerhouseMamma

So Doria does not have her own life.

Wow, if my child called me up and said they had MH issues, I'd be on the next plane over. I certainly wouldn't be saying I've got my own life. Doria could have come over and supported her in her crisis. I believe SW's specialising in MH know exactly who to go to and what a person needs.

Doria came over a lot. We saw her at events too. So what is your point exactly ? Because it sounds to me like you think she should have done some kind of miracle

Miracle? No, just the support of a loving parent with experience in the field of MH.

Who said she did not give that support?

If you think about the threads there have been on mumsnet alone over the last few years, variously describing M as narcissistic and H as thick etc, and many other speculations, aspersions and general nastiness, I think it's pretty obvious why they felt the need to put their own side of it forward. Especially given the depth of distress the whole situation clearly caused them. Why does anyone want to speak up for themselves?

I do agree in some ways it deepens the rift but it sounds as if the damage was done already. I can absolutely see William being unpleasant towards and about Meghan, I don't think her particular style (independent, confident) would suit him well at all. I think Charles lacks emotional intelligence and wants to hide away from anything messy. The palace machine/ courtiers are a pretty ruthless bunch of gaslighters when it furthers their agenda. And of course they closed ranks on them when Meghan was in crisis and they were trying to work out some sort of middle ground they could manage.

I'm sure there is another side to the story but I am very sympathetic to their perspective and I think most of us would go a bit insane if we were put in that situation. It's obviously still raw, and in Harry's case I think he's in the early stages of being able to break away and form his own identity and process a lot of things that have happened over the years. He's someone who wears his heart on his sleeve and yes we are seeing it all play out in public which is perhaps unwise, but how public was it when we saw him walking behind in mother’s coffin in front of an audience of millions? He's earned the right to be candid about what he's been through, I think.

Wouldn't H&M "naming names" be a bit of a risky path to take?

Doubtless there'd be a media frenzy, but the place aren't going to offer up a member of the RF as a sacrificial lamb, especially if it was a big name. They'd probably claim they were miles away when the conversation allegedly took place, co-opt a few allies to "prove" it and issue a regretful statement to say H&M were "mistaken"

So what then?

Their trump card is holding back who questioned the skin color of the baby.

Which gives the person the opportunity to come out themselves and explain themselves if they have to or apologise if they learnt anything. rather than their name being plastered out. they should be thankful for the opportunity. Many ppl would not be so thankful in that situation.

but how public was it when we saw him walking behind in mother’s coffin in front of an audience of millions? He's earned the right to be candid about what he's been through, I think.

Also, how public were those character assassination headlines. And yet everyone expects him to be the one who is discreet all of a sudden.

@Aspiringmatriarch

If you think about the threads there have been on mumsnet alone over the last few years, variously describing M as narcissistic and H as thick etc, and many other speculations, aspersions and general nastiness, I think it's pretty obvious why they felt the need to put their own side of it forward. Especially given the depth of distress the whole situation clearly caused them. Why does anyone want to speak up for themselves?

I do agree in some ways it deepens the rift but it sounds as if the damage was done already. I can absolutely see William being unpleasant towards and about Meghan, I don't think her particular style (independent, confident) would suit him well at all. I think Charles lacks emotional intelligence and wants to hide away from anything messy. The palace machine/ courtiers are a pretty ruthless bunch of gaslighters when it furthers their agenda. And of course they closed ranks on them when Meghan was in crisis and they were trying to work out some sort of middle ground they could manage.

I'm sure there is another side to the story but I am very sympathetic to their perspective and I think most of us would go a bit insane if we were put in that situation. It's obviously still raw, and in Harry's case I think he's in the early stages of being able to break away and form his own identity and process a lot of things that have happened over the years. He's someone who wears his heart on his sleeve and yes we are seeing it all play out in public which is perhaps unwise, but how public was it when we saw him walking behind in mother’s coffin in front of an audience of millions? He's earned the right to be candid about what he's been through, I think.

Very thoughtful post

• would not be so forgiving in that situation

Their trump card is holding back who questioned the skin color of the baby.

Well, who even knows if it's true that it was questioned??

They have lied and bent the truth to suit their narrative with "proven" facts. Marriage... titles...

Who says this is claim is true???

Since H&M's account of the story didn't even match it's hardly a trump card.