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What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

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HumousWhereTheHeartIs · 09/03/2021 10:34

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

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DeepThinkingGirl · 10/03/2021 18:20

I now think the whole moving to America is very contrived. Someone realised that they didn’t have any control and if they split/divorced the children would stay in the U.K.

A move across to America is very much in someone’s favour if things go tits up

Well good on Megan then. Wanting to feel secure that if things go tits up as her in laws are blackmailing her husband, that she would feel secure about the children she birthed out of her own womb.

Smart woman

Impatiens · 10/03/2021 18:22

Some definitely racist posts creeping in here..

NoMackerelInSwindon · 10/03/2021 18:24

Also, someone mentioned princess Eugenie's relationship with MM. What's the story there?

There isn't one anymore. Eugenie was a another route for MM to get trojan-horsed into the RF who are now being used as the battleground for Oprah who has ambitions far greater than that of any POTUS.

Harry is protecting himself from Meghan. He and Archie will be losers here but they do not know that yet.

PresentingPercy · 10/03/2021 18:27

Blackmailing??? Really? Charles paid for her wedding dresses. £1/2 million. What blackmail could there possibly be. I think Charles feels he has given them a lot of money. They could have stayed here and worked things out and got security. It is that simple. Going to the USA, no longer being They wanted their own money, they pay for security. Seems very fair to me. Why would a 36 and 39 year old still beg their relatives for money when sgtating they wangted to set up their own lives and incomes? Cake and eat it I think.

The RF have access to all sorts of doctors and self help gurus. Harry should have got her one. She could have got a British driving license. The DofE had one until recently. I assume Harry has one. So why not Meghan? It seems she had little to occupy her time and she did not understand what being a working Royal meant. God knows why not? The rest of us do.

pourqouimoi · 10/03/2021 18:29

Megan is a fame and money hungry grifter, Harry is thick, the royal family are all reactionary bigots and the whole institution should be axed.

Number3BigCupOfTea · 10/03/2021 18:30

Just saw clip of her dad on gmtv. He seems quite defeated. He shouldnt talk to the media as she will never forgive him even though she has just spoken to oprah

Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 18:33

Maybe in a few years time if things don't work out he'll get back together with his first love Chelsey Davies and move to Africa.

I highly doubt that. Charles Davy has been profiting off the backs of black people via apartheid in SA. Then moved to Zimbabwe and collided with the Mugabe corrupt regime to kill big game and made sure that none of that money ever saw Africa.

May have been fine in his past, I suspect Harry has long moved on from that now.

DioneTheDiabolist · 10/03/2021 18:33

They are petty. Their problems are petty.

Mental health problems are not petty. Suicide ideation is not petty.

Wannabangbang · 10/03/2021 18:35

Stating someone is awful doesn't always mean someone is racist. She's an attention seeking fame hungry woman. I don't like her simply because of this. I didn't even know she was of mixed origin until she mentioned it. I seriously wouldn't have known.

Gadzookery · 10/03/2021 18:36

@Impatiens

Some definitely racist posts creeping in here..
and some defamatory ones...no wonder these threads get deleted...
Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 18:38

You have to laugh at the gotcha posts nit picking.

She said her passport etc. were taken. The first time we see her driving is in Canada. Nothing to do with small purses being carried around. If anything it';s a serious complaint, that we should all ask the RF to address.

Mydogmylife · 10/03/2021 18:38

@LondonJax

To my knowledge Princess Anne, Prince Edward and Prince Andrew (when he was in the fold and worked for the Queen) now only get protection when they are working. Their personal protection was taken away in a cost cutting exercise I believe.

So even if Archie was given a Prince title, he still may only have protection paid for when he works on Royal Family duties.

The issue for Meghan and Harry is that they believe Archie and his soon to be sister will probably have more potential threats than others because of their mixed race. And the royal family haven't really addressed that concern. Possibly because they haven't even thought of it as a bigger problem than Zara Tindell getting kidnapped by terrorists or Princess Eugenie being attacked. From the royal's point of view Anne Lawrence is OK to run her farm without protection, whereas she'll get it when she's Princess Anne opening a factory so what's the problem? They've not thought of the added race issue (or have chosen not to because it opens up discussions about Eugenie, Zara, Peter et al)

But, going to Oprah and making out that the Prince title was dismissed because of his colour based on a conversation that Harry reported back to Meghan shows how little Meghan did in the way of research. Surely Harry should have explained the succession to her? Stopped her making a fool of herself with that comment? But then this is a man who apparently heard a conversation about his future child's colour, didn't call the person out and went straight off to tittle tattle to his mental fragile wife. But, apparently that's OK in Meghan's eyes - it's the fault of the person who said it (definitely agree) and not of the man she married who wants to share every conversation with her (not what a normal person does).

Harry is also the man who didn't call up friends to sit with Meghan on that gala night when Meghan had told him she felt suicidal. If my DH had had to work (i.e. attend the gala) I'd have expected him to come up with an excuse about why I couldn't be there and ask a friend to sit with me on the pretext that I wasn't feeling well (being pregnant) - not expect me to get dressed up and attend. To then bleat that she had to go and not have a word of admonishment for the lack of support from her husband in the first place is astonishing. But that wouldn't meet her and Harry's agenda of the two of them against the world - poor souls.

And the issue with the national anthem and the 'institution' not allowing for Meghan struggling with it being from a different country? Again Harry didn't seem to help her with that. It's not hard. Neither is learning these 30 hymns she mentioned as part of that 'nobody helped me' scene she played out. She's an actress used to learning lines with very short notice. If Harry had briefed her it wouldn't take her long to get 30 hymns under her belt. But it seems he didn't take her to one side, sit her down and go through these things with her.

Also Meghan mentions that Harry asked her if she knew how to curtsey when she first met the Queen. She knew she'd have to do so in public but didn't realise it was done in private. Despite me knowing that from Hello interviews done with Kate and documentaries showing Princess Anne doing exactly that. But there you go. Maybe she expected a few folders and videos to be given to her as an engagement present. But Harry is supposed to be her loving husband. He shouldn't have just thrown that comment into the mix minutes before Meghan was due to meet grannie. Again, Meghan has forgiven him and turned the blame on 'the institution' rather than where it belongs. With the lump sitting to her right in the interview. What sort of man does that? If he can't think of Meghan's needs then why would an extended family? I don't expect my uncle to brief my husband about what to say to whom at a family party. I do it. He's lived with this parade all his life but can't think his way around what his wife would need to know to settle in quickly? Seriously?

Personally I think Meghan needed to look very closely at the 'man' with her in that interview. He may have been able to brief a battalion of men in battle but he's got precious little idea about helping his wife and guiding her other than to run away.

All they've managed to do, I think, is give the signal that the gloves are off. The Queen etc may be constrained in what they can say but friends, Meghan's family et al aren't. Thomas Markle is already starting the rounds and Meghan can't complain when more stuff comes their way. She and Harry have shown that the way to get your point across is to speak to the media.

Could be a case of be careful what's contained in the can of worms you've just opened.

Spot on!!!!
Toptotoeunicolour · 10/03/2021 18:38

They are not victims of abuse. Even if you believe them at their word. (Being made to cry by Kate. discussing the skin color of a baby.)
Agree. If they had just complained about the media treatment, I would have been sympathetic because that was rough. But arguments with Kate about flower girls and comments about what your child would look like, that is petty. Also wrong that Oprah was allowed to (incorrectly) make the connection between skin colour and title - that was super-contrived, all those pregnant pauses, it's just embarrassing if you listen to it back. It's internal family squabbles which the other side cannot answer to. I'm amazed they are allowed to get away with it. They have absolutely no shame and have no clue what world the rest of us are living in.

Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 18:40

Strange that up to now the 'palace source' still has not named the racist.

Wannabangbang · 10/03/2021 18:41

If you are talking about me being racist. You are very wrong, i have a lots of friends and family from different backgrounds and love them all very much. I never base any opinions on people because of their race or skin colour or nationality. But when i don't like someone i don't like someone because of their awful personality.

Wannabangbang · 10/03/2021 18:42

But the media are the real disgrace in this. They are the true issue, newspapers have been against her since the get go.

wenning · 10/03/2021 18:43

I've just read reports that the Duchess of Cambridge has received over a million death threats in 48 hours following the broadcast of the interview.

Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 18:43

@Number3BigCupOfTea

Just saw clip of her dad on gmtv. He seems quite defeated. He shouldnt talk to the media as she will never forgive him even though she has just spoken to oprah
Disgusting of GMB to call a fragile man just to make a petty little point of nothingness.
DumpedByText · 10/03/2021 18:44

She claims she didn't know who Harry was when she met him, so why was she so bothered about Archie not being a Prince? Plus he was never going to be one anyway due to the Royal ruling. Surely Harry would have explained it to her before she told OW.

I baffled at what they thought they'd achieve by telling the world this.

Toptotoeunicolour · 10/03/2021 18:44

And the fact that she couldn't get help with mental health problems - this being one of the favourite causes championed by the William Catherine and Harry and after many members of the family including Harry himself have spoken openly about receiving mental health support over extended periods - how could it possibly have looked bad? Why was he embarrassed? It just doesn't add up, there has to be more to it. And Oprah didn't press on any of this, she just let them wallow in "their truth". All Oprah got out of them was how unashamedly self-indulgent the pair of them are.

HmmmmmmInteresting · 10/03/2021 18:44

@wenning

I've just read reports that the Duchess of Cambridge has received over a million death threats in 48 hours following the broadcast of the interview.
That's terrible. But Ive not heard anyone mentioning Meghan's death threats
Gadzookery · 10/03/2021 18:44

@wenning

I've just read reports that the Duchess of Cambridge has received over a million death threats in 48 hours following the broadcast of the interview.
How truly disgusting and terrifying.
Mummy195 · 10/03/2021 18:45

@wenning

I've just read reports that the Duchess of Cambridge has received over a million death threats in 48 hours following the broadcast of the interview.
Is that from one of the rags? Typical. Did they also tell you how many death threats MM has been receiving in general since she has been painted as a villain ?
DioneTheDiabolist · 10/03/2021 18:45

The point of the Catherine/Meghan crying story was to highlight the media problem fed by the palace. It was a great example of the nasty way MM was treated.