What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

I just took a quick look at royals out and about on duties. They don't carry handbags unless it's a tiny accessory on a night out, probably for their lippy. Their hands are usually free to greet people and collect flowers.

Why do they need car keys on them? They were chauffeured around with their bodyguards? Sometimes William and other royals drive themselves. No doubt Jeeves is waiting at the front door with the polished keys on a velvet cushion rather than the royal running round the house shouting "where're my bloody keys".

Also, if you are chauffeured to your private jet, surely your personal assistant has gone on ahead to do the documentation and whizz their passports under someone's nose before they get on the plane? Has anyone ever seen Charles, Harry, the Queen, etc. queuing at passport control? No

You see, it's just more BS and twisting. Royals don't carry their own crap. They are too important. I bet she was asked for her passport so some minion can deal with her travel arrangements. She probably didn't need her car keys and they were put into a safe place. Why wouldn't they be?

I doubt someone has taken her car keys and passport to keep her controlled. She has twisted this. I can't believe people can't see thru the passport and keys thing. It's pretty obvious.

@Plexie

To build a marketable brand that they can commercialise to create income.

The interview reminded me of those scam emails that contain grammatical errors and typos that are supposed to weed out on-the-ball people and ensnare the gullible. There were so many inconsistencies and contradictions that are obvious to UK viewers or anyone with a decent level of knowledge about the Royal Family, but are being swallowed by the more general American/worldwide audience. That's the audience they are aiming at, to portray an appearance of victimhood to elicit sympathy which they can trade on.

Absolutely bang on. Nuff said.

Revenge? Closure? No matter what they were trying to achieve, H&M were undeniably dignified in expressing their woes. What is hard to stomach is the reaction of journalists such as Piers Morgan, whose horrific rants and on-air tantrum and trashing of Meghan Markle just serve to prove H&M' s claims of bullying. See for yourselves. Despicable😱 gestyy.com/eyw3Gw

Why do they need car keys on them? They were chauffeured around with their bodyguards? Sometimes William and other royals drive themselves. No doubt Jeeves is waiting at the front door with the polished keys on a velvet cushion rather than the royal running round the house shouting "where're my bloody keys

Yes, the passport and keys stuff was manipulated to fit the Princess locked in the tower narrative.

@DeepThinkingGirl

If he has or not remains to be seen really.

I think he has always wanted this. Probably also Eugenie and her sister too. Which is why they get on.

Forgie was mistreated by the press. Eugenie helped match make the couple or somehow supported the process.

I genuinely think he told Eugenie “I’m fed up of being stuck in royal life I need a woman who can stand up on her own feet so that my kids won’t have to be part of the system like I was and I no longer need to rely on my family for doing right by me”. And Eugenie said “I agree, I hate how my mum was treated and I think you should marry an actress who will know how to put boundaries with the press without relying on the royal family”.

So for Harry this is a successful outcome. Probably needs to navigate through and fine tune how much he airs his dirty laundry but he does want a family life that doesn’t involve a father and the woman that what all over his mother until she lost her mental health.. and I can’t imagine anyone would think all the money in the world will help them forgive that they lived a motherless childhood and previous to that a childhood that was overshadowed by their mothers really difficult emotions while she navigated through their dads emotionless existence.

I think he has now become a father and his ptsd fired up and he realised

“How can a father reject their child because they’re ginger??”

“How can a father watch the mother of his children struggle so badly and be able to look is children in the eye without remorse abd continue to make her suffer”

He probably looks at his baby snd his mental health gets triggered into some sort of depression and he just needs space from his dad right now

If I were him I would certainly find the opportunity to release my trauma on my dad until I can heal.

So yes.. good on Harry.

I think if he didn't want to become a full-time Royal he could easily have stayed in the Army.

It is difficult for someone in Harry's position to carve their own way. Edward tried it and struggled but he has managed to make is mark as a Royal without Sophie getting dragged through the mire.

Neither of Harry's previous girlfriends were touched by the press. He and Meg could have done things differently.

@rosetylersbiggun

It was all fine until they were criticised for their globe trotting on private jets while promoting green credentials.

That literally never happened (Meghan has never spoken about climate change and William and Charles have lectured about climate change ten times more while using private jets ten times more) and the onslaught of hate and abuse, and the Palace directly ordering the media to print nasty stories about her, started long before any of that.

People make up any old shite to justify their hatred of a black woman who's been relentlessly racially abused and smeared since the day it was announced she was dating Harry.

“ There is a ticking clock to protect our planet with climate change,the deterioration of our natural resources,endangerment of sacred wildlife and FOSSIL FUEL EMISSIONS. We are jeopardising this beautiful place we call home - Let’s save it. Let’s do our part”

House of Sussex Insta June 19 - this was the summer of the private jet .

They were heavily criticised for this and couldn’t cope with negative press . Rot set in here . Nothing to do with Rascism .

@VanillaIce

Yes, the passport and keys stuff was manipulated to fit the Princess locked in the tower narrative.

🤣

Given Meghan's apparent emotionally fragile state, her pregnancy and Harry's clearly damaged state, was it predatory of Oprah to agree to the interview?

Interesting thought, but it only really works if we accept their accounts at face value - and with the many inconsistencies that may not be wise

I agree that the main aim for Oprah would be the kudos and money, but if it hadn't been her it would have been someone else, and after all nobody was forcing H&M to do the interview

Oh I think we all know why she did it, its up there with her wanting a full front page apology after winning millions in damages from the MoS.

The more interesting question is why Harry did it.

My bet is that this was his way of doing one of those hostage videos, where they sit and say they are happy now but really are sending a message to be rescued!!

@Spanielsarepainless

Harry is envious of his brother who will be king, Meghan thought there was a gap from Diana's death. But Diana was married to the heir not the spare. It is also being overlooked that when Diana entered the RF she was half the age of Meghan, with far less experience of life. I am almost the same age that Diana would have been and I remember the whole fairy tale, its crumbling and her tragic death. And I didn't need to watch 'The Crown'. The washing of any family's dirty linen in public is despicable, manipulative and vindictive.

You know that Harry is envious without knowing him personally?

What is it with people here and the "washing of a family's dirty linen in public" thing? Do you say that to/about other victims of abuse/nastiness who speak out, or are you reserving your ire for these two?
You think it's despicable, manipulative and vindictive for people to speak out, but not for a family to put people in a position where they'd feel the need to call them out on it/say, "Hold on. That's not what happened." ??

Take a look at what Thomas Markle did just recently: "I'll do another story for the press if I don't hear from them"? Seriously??

[quote NellaGella]Revenge? Closure? No matter what they were trying to achieve, H&M were undeniably dignified in expressing their woes. What is hard to stomach is the reaction of journalists such as Piers Morgan, whose horrific rants and on-air tantrum and trashing of Meghan Markle just serve to prove H&M' s claims of bullying. See for yourselves. Despicable😱 gestyy.com/eyw3Gw[/quote]
The agreement to an interview itself was most undignified. They may have acted in a dignified manner during the interview itself...maybe. However, the line about the racist comment without naming the protagonist was calculated to cause maximum harm.

Take a look at what Thomas Markle did just recently: "I'll do another story for the press if I don't hear from them"? Seriously??

I’m so bloody glad that he did that. I was starting to feel sorry for him and judge her for being too harsh on her ill dad until he said that and I realised he still hasn’t changed.

His remorse is only to get back into her life and get the privileges but he certainly does not value his daughter or his relationship with her.

Really nasty

This is all about Oprah and Meghan is being groomed as her successor.

Right from the start.

@Blueberries0112

“I’m really really shocked at the double standards on this website.

So if Meghan had posted on here anonymously everyone....(cutting this quote short).”

If she posted anonymously at babycenter family relationship board.... they would have told her “tell your husband he is married to you, not his family... he need to stand up to his family (wife and kids) or leave him, he is obviously is going to keep disrespecting you and keeping you and your kids exposed to his toxic family”

But if Harry did that , people think he is the worst person in the world for leaving his toxic family

This, although I'm not really shocked, human nature being what it is. It's clear that there's a double standard at work here.

@allington the seat belt thing is interesting really. As is the drunk driver. Two massive risk factors which had nothing to do with the press. One of them wasn't her fault at all, and I don't think a sober driver would have engaged in any of this high speed chasing through the crazy Paris traffic, but I do wonder why no one highlights the tragic consequences of not wearing seatbelts.

@DeepThinkingGirl

Take a look at what Thomas Markle did just recently: "I'll do another story for the press if I don't hear from them"? Seriously??

I’m so bloody glad that he did that. I was starting to feel sorry for him and judge her for being too harsh on her ill dad until he said that and I realised he still hasn’t changed.

His remorse is only to get back into her life and get the privileges but he certainly does not value his daughter or his relationship with her.

Really nasty

Sounds like what M&H have done with H's family with this Oprah interview.

I find it so funny that they ghosted TM for going to the press, and here they are doing the same thing over and over again. They deserve to be ghosted by their own family. I would with the crap they keep pulling.

Deepthinkinggirl
"Can we all just recognise that Meghan and Harry didn’t really seem to want to muddy the reputation of the royal family for 4 years and so they must be doing this only out of mental exasperation! Because clearly silent dignity was making matters worse for them?!"

Silent dignity?! Have you forgotten the Africa interview/Documentary? The Omid Scobie book?

@NoMackerelInSwindon

This is all about Oprah and Meghan is being groomed as her successor.

Right from the start.

Ohhhhhhhh the plot thickens. Being the new Oprah would give her all the adulation she craves. But would she be any good at it? What if she doesn't bring in the viewers?

Also, someone mentioned princess Eugenie's relationship with MM. What's the story there?

Harry looks extremely tense and miserable. He is so quintessentially British not sure how he will adjust to a glitzy Hollywood lifestyle. Maybe in a few years time if things don't work out he'll get back together with his first love Chelsey Davies and move to Africa.

@Ohnomoreno

There were things within her control that led to that outcome. Yes, the press was chasing her, but let's not forget why - because it sold newspapers. Because people bought it.

And equally famous people did not get pursued - why not? Because they did not play the game of getting the press/public on their side.

If H is serious about keeping his family safe from the press then disengaging, keeping a low profile is the best way of doing that. Be boring. Don't go on Oprah dishing the dirt.

What is it with people here and the "washing of a family's dirty linen in public" thing? Do you say that to/about other victims of abuse/nastiness who speak out, or are you reserving your ire for these two?

That would depend on where they speak out, how they speak out and how coherent their account is

Milluonaires Jeremy Kyle as far as I'm concerned. Makes my skin crawl.

I now think the whole moving to America is very contrived. Someone realised that they didn’t have any control and if they split/divorced the children would stay in the U.K.

A move across to America is very much in someone’s favour if things go tits up

@Puzzledandpissedoff

What is it with people here and the "washing of a family's dirty linen in public" thing? Do you say that to/about other victims of abuse/nastiness who speak out, or are you reserving your ire for these two?

That would depend on where they speak out, how they speak out and how coherent their account is

They are not victims of abuse. Even if you believe them at their word. (Being made to cry by Kate. discussing the skin color of a baby.)

They are petty. Their problems are petty.