What were Harry and Meghan hoping to achieve?

[HumousWhereTheHeartIs]

This is an honest question not a chance to bash anyone. I'm curious about why Harry and Meghan would do this and what the consequences could be. They must have realised the massive fall-out this would cause. This could be the end of Harry's relationship with his family. But for what? Sympathy? Increased profiles? Honesty?

@Airbubbleme

I respect your opinion. I disagree. The ramifications of the interview will reverberate uncomfortably for H for years to come. In any event, we're all just bystanders with an opinion.

@ Blueberries0112.

Maybe she just didn’t want her children feel they are not good enough for Royal family . It’s one thing that you have a choice, it’s another if you are being denied.

What about HM’ s other great children? They don’t have titles but are clearly adored.

@HmmmmmmInteresting and I think that is a very valid point and totally understand why that may be triggering for you. i think with many of these situations it is an accumulation of what she has done, the hyopcrisy, the self servicing, the victim hood, the economy with the truth re the blood diamonds Archies being a prince, a pre-wedding wedding etc, the use of trigger phrases like MH and racism which all together make it questionable to me why she appears to have written off her family and now PHs. I see, in DM admittedly ,that she has stated no regrets, well i hope hapless Haz also has no regrets when this shit storm has passed and he realises what his loving wife has done to his relationship with his family

Diana played the press when it suited her, it wasn't a one way situation. Then refused royal protection, and eventually got in a car with a drunk driver and didn't wear a seatbelt.

The way Harry turns this into 'the press killed my mother' fits well with the Oprah interview - a grain of something turned into being a wholsale victim.

They have employed new PR people, who used to do the PR for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. These are far, far better than the bunch of clowns who wrote the SussexRoyal thing (remember that?!) and the whole “interview” was a scripted masterpiece.

@IrmaFayLear

They have employed new PR people, who used to do the PR for the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. These are far, far better than the bunch of clowns who wrote the SussexRoyal thing (remember that?!) and the whole “interview” was a scripted masterpiece.

Ahh but promoting here today/gone tomorrow 'celebrities' is not the same as promoting the RF, which is typically lower key.

The only winner here is Oprah and the media who have dragged M and H and the RF through the mire

Except M&H wanted to do it, if Oprah said No someone else would have

[quote Gadzookery]@Airbubbleme

I respect your opinion. I disagree. The ramifications of the interview will reverberate uncomfortably for H for years to come. In any event, we're all just bystanders with an opinion.[/quote]
I'm not suggesting the interview was wise or well timed.

As a seasoned interviewer, I feel they are too deeply in the throes of trauma to be giving interviews though I understand the rationale. H in particular seems to be v fragile.

I think it’s bad enough that Meghan was clearly in so much pain while pregnant and with a newborn and they didn’t think it would be appropriate to at least support her behind the scenes through it as a new comer.

If HR is that crap then that’s enough reason to step down. No need for any allegations.

And I think it’s enough for them to know that they continue to not want to support them for making that choice, as family members, not as royals... despite them being in a vulnerable position security wise in their second pregnancy and what was her first miscarriage... for Meg and Harry to take matters into their own hands and use the press to set boundaries just like press were used to violate theirs.. and even if the royal family is in a vulnerable spot because that’s exactly what the royal family had done to them.

They don’t have to be the bigger person, I think it’s fine that they played on equal footing. It means no one can be blamed here and it won’t make sense to hold such a grudge against Harry and Meghan when the royal family have engaged on a similar level for a while when they kept their silent dignity.

Can we all just recognise that Meghan and Harry didn’t really seem to want to muddy the reputation of the royal family for 4 years and so they must be doing this only out of mental exasperation! Because clearly silent dignity was making matters worse for them?!

Things don’t have to be either or I’m sure, but in many cases when there is so much bottled up it takes ages to navigate through the emotions and try to find the balance to be assertive and be able to aim for a resolution.

Right now I think they wanted to send a clear message that they’ve had enough of beinf messed around and that two can play a game

And I think that’s fair enough. Not the wisest but still not unfair

@Sprining she's demonstrated that she can't deal with negative media and personal criticism. If she couldn't handle being a royal she won't be up to the pugilist world of politics, particularly US politics.

@AirBubbleMe

I agree with you! My hunch - and it is no more than than - is that H is the real loser and I think emotionally he will be undergoing great turmoil now.

@Mummy195

Typical for the non papped royals to now come out driving everywhere.

MM was obviously treated differently.

Or maybe she would have to go to the police station to produce her ID a few days after being stopped by police (who would probably have been tipped) then someone tips the rags that MM is at a police station. Out comes the ' she broke the law' stories.

Looking at how insidious the firm have been so far, would not put that above them.

[quote Gadzookery]@AirBubbleMe

I agree with you! My hunch - and it is no more than than - is that H is the real loser and I think emotionally he will be undergoing great turmoil now.[/quote]
I suspect he has been in turmoil for a very long time. The whole thing is sad imo. I wouldn't change places with them.

@Gadzookery

Ahh but promoting here today/gone tomorrow 'celebrities' is not the same as promoting the RF, which is typically lower key.

By 'low key'. you mean 'royal sources'. lol

“The only winner here is Oprah and the media who have dragged M and H and the RF through the mire”

And maybe the royal family too? . If they never put themselves out in public and stay hidden, do you think the royal family stay in power?

Why didn't they wait until after the baby was born? Or after the Diana statue was unveiled? Queens birthday? Because they might change their minds? Because Oprah wanted this done now?

Because they were probably receiving hostility from the royal family and the press and they felt it’s necessary to protect their unborn baby before it’s born?! Because it’s natural for a mother to want to feel secure about the world she is pushing out a baby into and most likely she is going through anxiety due to her experience as a nee mother last time round ?

I don’t think everything has to be perfect when someone is calling out injustice. Yes there are better ways to do things but they’re not in their best mental state and they are allowed to not make their wisest choices. So long as they’re being fair. Which they are

@Allington

Diana played the press when it suited her, it wasn't a one way situation. Then refused royal protection, and eventually got in a car with a drunk driver and didn't wear a seatbelt.

The way Harry turns this into 'the press killed my mother' fits well with the Oprah interview - a grain of something turned into being a wholsale victim.

That is a very narrow view. The reality is that she was literally stalked. That she sought to manage it is to her credit, no-one was going to do it for her.

I bet Harry is out talking to the chickens with Archie and having dad time maybe while Meghan is busy with the engagement books and getting the work side sorted out. She has what she wants now. She said it herself.
If he has or not remains to be seen really.
Time will tell.

I’m really really shocked at the double standards on this website.

So if Meghan had posted on here anonymously everyone would’ve supported them (she probably did)..

But the moment we know who she is and the financial privilege she is in, she becomes sub human not deserving of the normal empathy and compassion towards a mother and towards her mental health.. as well as Harry..

If he didn’t stick up for her she would’ve been told “you have a DH problem love”. But he did and now he is being called out for betrayal.

So is it a case of when you’re royalty you are above rules of humanity?? We pay you money so that you can represent a world that lacks in the dsy to dsy morality that we stand for as a society?!

What is it?! So much moral justification just to idolise a person with a crown on.

To be fair posting anonymously on a forum where neither you or the other protagonists can be identified is somewhat different to airing your problems on a global TV programme thereby identifying yourself and several other people who in this case have limited powers of redress .

But the moment we know who she is and the financial privilege she is in, she becomes sub human not deserving of the normal empathy and compassion towards a mother and towards her mental health.. as well as Harry..

Meghan is seen as subhuman by the press in this country and the rabid readers of this shit by virtue of her not being white. Any other white celeb would have received accolades and support

If he has or not remains to be seen really.

I think he has always wanted this. Probably also Eugenie and her sister too. Which is why they get on.

Forgie was mistreated by the press. Eugenie helped match make the couple or somehow supported the process.

I genuinely think he told Eugenie “I’m fed up of being stuck in royal life I need a woman who can stand up on her own feet so that my kids won’t have to be part of the system like I was and I no longer need to rely on my family for doing right by me”. And Eugenie said “I agree, I hate how my mum was treated and I think you should marry an actress who will know how to put boundaries with the press without relying on the royal family”.

So for Harry this is a successful outcome. Probably needs to navigate through and fine tune how much he airs his dirty laundry but he does want a family life that doesn’t involve a father and the woman that what all over his mother until she lost her mental health.. and I can’t imagine anyone would think all the money in the world will help them forgive that they lived a motherless childhood and previous to that a childhood that was overshadowed by their mothers really difficult emotions while she navigated through their dads emotionless existence.

I think he has now become a father and his ptsd fired up and he realised

“How can a father reject their child because they’re ginger??”

“How can a father watch the mother of his children struggle so badly and be able to look is children in the eye without remorse abd continue to make her suffer”

He probably looks at his baby snd his mental health gets triggered into some sort of depression and he just needs space from his dad right now

If I were him I would certainly find the opportunity to release my trauma on my dad until I can heal.

So yes.. good on Harry.

@rosetylersbiggun - what a great post - lots of interesting points in there. Thanks.

Why are ppl asking them to wait and wait..................
so they can blast them for dragging up the past when they should have addressed it at the end of the contract. They just finished their notice now, so this is exactly the best time, surely.

“I’m really really shocked at the double standards on this website.

So if Meghan had posted on here anonymously everyone....(cutting this quote short).”

If she posted anonymously at babycenter family relationship board.... they would have told her “tell your husband he is married to you, not his family... he need to stand up to his family (wife and kids) or leave him, he is obviously is going to keep disrespecting you and keeping you and your kids exposed to his toxic family”

But if Harry did that , people think he is the worst person in the world for leaving his toxic family