Abolishing the Royal Family

[FeelthewrathofthesuperRad]

Anyone else in favour of it?

I’m not entirely sure what their purpose is either.

@Ingridla

I'm in favour of a revolution once the Queen passes. The contempt William and Charles show towards us plebs pisses me right off. Fuck them all.

Can you tell us more of the form this revolution will take?

It's time to start phasing it out and replace it with something more democratic.
I don't really care whether they are value for money or not. A figurehead president with minimal executive power (much like in Germany) would make more sense.
That said, I expect the tabloid press will still probably obsess about them and their family too.
France is a republic, it still has the Palace of Versailles, it still has it's own culture. We don't need to knock down buckingham palace, we can keep all that culture stuff without having the chinless descendants of some norman/german medieval mafia hanging about the place.

But lots of people don’t like democracy. One word: Brexit.....

Replace them with a nicer family and make it a black family.

@Catslovepies

Replace them with a nicer family and make it a black family.

Is that you, Meghan?

[quote PersimmonTree]@Happydaysarehere. This is a serious discussion. If you CBA to RTFT fair enough, but please don't state as fact things that have been established as untrue or distorted (tourism, good work etc) as it just perpetuates these damaging illusions.

Why do you or the Americans need the RF for entertainment, and why should we pay for "interest and colour" when we have Hollywood, Corrie and Eastenders? [/quote]
Thank you for the enlightenment as I had no idea that only your views are acceptable on this thread. There are many ugly post on here who seem unable to put their case without sounding off in an offensive fashion. As you say let’s have Hollywood, Corrie and Eastenders in place of a culture built into our constitution over many generations.

I would not want the RF to be abolished, but would like them to have less relevance as time went on. However, I think that would only apply if people were less likely to be enamoured by them. This can only be shown when no one, or very few people, turn up to watch, various weddings etc and other similar Royal stuff.
I think P Charles aim to have a more streamlined monarchy is well-intentioned, but seems to have incurred displeasure with Harry and Meghan.
It suits the Gov, to have a Monarchy, above politics, who can host banquets, attend gala stuff, etc, entertain foreign dignitaries, without it being political.
The real power the Queeen has is very limited, and would be a constitutional nightmare if she suddenly dissolved parliament, or refused to sign any Bill, etc. However, as far as I know she still has a weekly audience with the prime minister (this may be different during covid). These meetings are and always have been entirely confidential, and anything can be discussed. I imagine, however, that if the Queeen strongly disagreed with something, she would be foolish to say so.

Definitely abolish. Their existence is actually really embarrassing for our country.

It's so predictable. The poster has no argument so they wheel out the "only your views are acceptable" bollocks. Think of a new line and move the topic forward, can't you ?

Who kicks Liz out if she fiddles the books? Nobody

There are loads of examples of countries deposing their monarchs.
I’m not sure how you go about organising it but looking at history it can be done.
As I said earlier, a revolution would be the quickest way but you’d probably have to get the army on your side.

silurian "You could have David Attenborough running against Maggie Smith, Benjamin Zephaniah, Trevor McDonald, Clive Stafford-Smith, Claire Balding, Timothy Spall, Shami Chakrabarti etc." (For head of state)....

But you and I know that we wouldn't, not in tabloid Little Britain.

For me, there lies the problem. Brexit demonstrated clearly how little most people understand about government, about the hierarchies of power.

The People's List, as championed by The Fail, would have us baying for Farage as HoS. And, because we're dog-whistle stupid, we'd bite.

We Brits actually like a bit of a forelock tug, I believe! We like to moan about 'the unelected'. (Although, re:Brexit, we didn't understand the structure of the EU, it transpires). We like a bit of a sense of feeling hard done by and inferior....otherwise we'd rise up and ban Public Schools.

Instead, we elect their pupils to high power over us.

The RF is just another extension of this.

@Moondust001

In favour of abolishing the monarchy. But why does anyone think we need a head of state? Switzerland does very well without one.

Switzerland is a very, very different country to us.

I trust you know that?

Persimmontree "Perhaps I am stupidly naive but I think that "millions of British people", rather than "identifying and agreeing with" the royal family, simply just don't know what goes on, can't be bothered to learn, or choose not to look."

I'm trying to think of other recent events where millions of people neither knew nor cared about 'what goes on', yet decided to make decisions based on no knowledge, and little care...

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Well @Miljea if we're all as hopeless as you're suggesting, let's hope the 3rd/4th/5th/6th waves of covid wipe us all out and let the Earth reclaim itself.

Or alternatively we could just learn to accept change.

Abolish.
Ridiculous situation for a so called mature democracy

So we just have politicians run the place? No thanks. The monarchy might not get it right all the time but it’s safer than politicians. Now they are the ones that cannot be trusted!

Monarchy does seem like it exploit children and women (women who have to bear children)

And their relationship seems a bit conditional. They get told they can never talk to their family or it will go to the press

Well, maybe it wasn’t bad in the past but since the social media and technologies, it is becoming more and more exploit toward the royal children

No, the royal family do a lot of good work and bring in a lot of money through tourism etc

I disagree. Tourists don't come to see them - they come to see the palaces etc which would still be there if they were gone .

Nope, I don’t want to abolish it. And the Harry and Meghan shit show will just strengthen support for the monarchy.

@PresentingPercy

So we just have politicians run the place? No thanks. The monarchy might not get it right all the time but it’s safer than politicians. Now they are the ones that cannot be trusted!

But the monarch doesn't run the place at all. The politicians run the place and if you don't like them you vote them out .

I think this whole situation will strengthen support for the monarchy. That’s my over riding impression.

Good god!!! If you don’t have a monarchy, you are potentially left with politicians. Politicians run the show when they are presidents. Macron, Biden etc. They represent their countries in everything. We haven’t wanted that. With the boundary changes, any movement of government to the left is difficult and no government here will get rid of the monarchy.

@PresentingPercy

So we just have politicians run the place? No thanks. The monarchy might not get it right all the time but it’s safer than politicians. Now they are the ones that cannot be trusted!

Politicians run the place because they've been elected to do so. If they prove sufficiently untrustworthy or even criminal they're booted out. Sometimes even before the next election.

Can you explain how an unelected body permanently in place and driven by its own interests is safer?

@PresentingPercy

Good god!!! If you don’t have a monarchy, you are potentially left with politicians. Politicians run the show when they are presidents. Macron, Biden etc. They represent their countries in everything. We haven’t wanted that. With the boundary changes, any movement of government to the left is difficult and no government here will get rid of the monarchy.

Politicians run the place anyway. An elected HoS would (a) have largely ceremonial powers and (b) not need to be a politician — this isn’t France or the US where the president has power. In Ireland all you have to be is an Irish citizen who is over 35.