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Abolishing the Royal Family

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FeelthewrathofthesuperRad · 09/03/2021 07:40

Anyone else in favour of it?

I’m not entirely sure what their purpose is either.

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pourqouimoi · 11/03/2021 18:25

As a historian of social inequalities in the UK...get rid.

LimaFoxtrotCharlie · 11/03/2021 18:44

As for tourism, France has almost treble the number of visitors the UK has, and not a royal family in sight

France has more tourists because:

  • better weather
  • better food
  • better wine
  • more space for holiday activities like canoeing
  • easy access for millions of Europeans who can simply drive across the border with no passport control, no booking of expensive ferry or euro tunnel crossings, and no currency changes

Abolishing the monarchy will not increase tourism to the UK. Buckingham Palace is dowdy and run down and cannot compete with the glamour of Versailles.

PersimmonTree · 11/03/2021 19:02

Who said abolishing the monarchy would INCREASE tourism? Nobody.

But if the gothic monstrosity was razed to the ground and something beautiful and worthwhile put in its place, who knows?

Andante57 · 11/03/2021 19:08

@pourqouimoi

As a historian of social inequalities in the UK...get rid.
How would you achieve this? By an act of parliament or referendum or revolution”
RememberWhenWe · 11/03/2021 20:26

Abolishing the monarchy will not increase tourism to the UK. Buckingham Palace is dowdy and run down and cannot compete with the glamour of Versailles.

Could you point me towards the posts where anyone suggests this might happen? I think that tourists are attracted by, amongst other things, the history of the UK, which does of course include the royal family. The impact of current royals, and in particular when King Charles and Camilla (with whatever title she has) take over, is much more questionable.

pourqouimoi · 11/03/2021 22:41

@Andante57

Act of parliament - a revolution that simply overthrew the monarchy would have to do much more than that to change people's material conditions and relationships to each other/the planet. However the monarchy represents the celebration/perpetuation of social hierarchies, inequalities and a class society and as such should have no place in the modern world if we are truly striving to ameliorate these things. But evidently we as a society aren't, are we?

Andante57 · 11/03/2021 22:47

However the monarchy represents the celebration/perpetuation of social hierarchies, inequalities and a class society

There are plenty of people who although not royal live in huge houses with land and collections of art and masses of money. Would they too have to go?

a revolution that simply overthrew the monarchy would have to do much more than that to change people's material conditions and relationships to each other/the planet

I’m sorry, I don’t understand this sentence.

pourqouimoi · 11/03/2021 23:11

Yes ideally those people would not hold so much wealth. Social inequalities of the magnitude that exist in Britain today are inexcusable as far as I am concerned. However I'm not sure why you're pushing the idea that someone who does not support an outmoded institution such as the monarchy must automatically be clamouring for a 'revolution'.

pourqouimoi · 11/03/2021 23:12

I mean that we live in a deeply unequal society. Simply getting rid of the monarchy will not change that. It is symbolically important though.

Andante57 · 11/03/2021 23:32

I didn’t presume you were clamouring for a revolution - it’s just one method of getting rid of a monarchy.

I agree getting rid of the monarchy won’t automatically change society. There are plenty of unequal societies that don’t have a monarchy - Russia for example.
However if in UK they were abolished by government then the chances are the same government would turn their (metaphorical) guns on the rich and landowners etc.

PersimmonTree · 11/03/2021 23:37

Removing the monarchy isn't about persecuting the rich. It's about stopping abuse.

AlexaShutUp · 11/03/2021 23:40

I'm fond of some of the trappings of the monarchy. I like the pomp and tradition, there is a certain nostalgia to it. However, it is totally anachronistic, anti-democratic and frankly embarrassing for us as a nation, especially given recent revelations about racism, Prince Andrew etc. I used to buy the "soft diplomacy" angle, but I'm now of the view that they do at least as much harm as they do good. As for the tourist income, just think how much more it would make if you opened up all of the palaces properly for visitors etc.

Perhaps they could have modernised more effectively and more quickly in order to carve out a more relevant role for themselves in the modern era, but the boat has sailed on that one now. I think they're done, but I don't think they'll go voluntarily. It will be interesting to see which political party will be brave enough to suggest a referendum first. I guess they won't risk it until they're pretty sure that the public are supportive. Constitutionally, I don't even know if a referendum would be enough to remove them, though I can't imagine them actually trying to hang on if it came to it.

I do feel a bit anxious about what we'd put in its place. An apolitical ceremonial president would be good, I think. I definitely wouldn't be in favour of a political head of state.

It feels to me like the tide is really turning now. The rot began to set in years ago, when Charles and Diana were both unable to keep their private lives private. I think the whole thing with Andrew did a huge amount of damage, especially as the family did not appear to investigate in any way. The latest revelations about racism may prove to be the final nail in the coffin.

Andante57 · 11/03/2021 23:49

@PersimmonTree

Removing the monarchy isn't about persecuting the rich. It's about stopping abuse.
You mean the accusations of racism?
pourqouimoi · 11/03/2021 23:51

@Andante57 oops sorry I must have misread your tone! I'm a few glasses of wine down

Andante57 · 11/03/2021 23:58

That’s okay.
If I were the royal family I’d want to go. All the palaces, jewels, money, fine paintings in the world wouldn’t make up for the total lack of privacy.

Thewithesarehere · 11/03/2021 23:58

Yes. Absolutely

fantasmasgoria1 · 12/03/2021 00:03

You I have always thought they needed to be abolished.

PersimmonTree · 12/03/2021 00:13

The racism, the getting away with criminal behaviour (Andrew) and not having to account for it, the exemption from the Freedom of Information Act, the globetrotting at taxpayers' expense, the inventing of official roles and visits that could be done far better and cheaper by non-Windsors, the back-door secret legislating, the self-imposed secrecy, the continuing to treat us all as "subjects" when we are in fact their equals.

PersimmonTree · 12/03/2021 00:14

If all that's not abuse, I'm not sure what else they need to do, for people to wake up?

Hummingbird18 · 12/03/2021 00:38

Do I think the royal family needs to change and modernise? Absolutely. Do I want them abolished? Definitely not. They do a lot of good and bring so much positivity and joy in difficult times. The royal family is a huge part of British identity in my opinion. The politicians are more useless and out of touch than the royals in some cases! And William is a much better role model for young people than Boris. The cost of the royal family is nothing compared to what this government has wasted on test and trace contracts, HS2, Brexit etc

Wehaveanunderstanding · 12/03/2021 01:00

Yes I think their soft diplomacy value was very much undermined by Prince Andrew's ten year stint as a trade envoy www.bbc.com/news/uk-12663378 . Very murky indeed (even without the Epstein scandal). I'm afraid it points to poor management at the top that he was ever appointed.

IdblowJonSnow · 12/03/2021 01:07

I've always been ambivalent but since the whole Andrew debacle I feel disgusted by their privilege and what they get away with.
I do admire the queen in some respects but would support the abolishment when she's gone.
They are probably feeling quite fearful for their future since Pizza Express gate.

PersimmonTree · 12/03/2021 08:21

@Hummingbird18

Do I think the royal family needs to change and modernise? Absolutely. Do I want them abolished? Definitely not. They do a lot of good and bring so much positivity and joy in difficult times. The royal family is a huge part of British identity in my opinion. The politicians are more useless and out of touch than the royals in some cases! And William is a much better role model for young people than Boris. The cost of the royal family is nothing compared to what this government has wasted on test and trace contracts, HS2, Brexit etc
"The royal family is a huge part of British identity". I'm British and I don't identify with them in the slightest. They repel me and I despise them. Maybe what you mean is they are part of British history.

Why are we stubbornly preserving them as if they were a living museum exhibit?

Do British people really still identify with its outdated values of medieval divine right to rule, disgraceful Empire building, preaching British "values" to other countries and unelected serf-funded privilege? Or would they perhaps like a system that's a tad fairer and more inclusive that represents ALL the people they've duped into submission over the past 2 centuries?

GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 12/03/2021 09:10

We’ve had the disaster that is Brexit as well as the pandemic. I think we should avoid any more instability.

PersimmonTree · 12/03/2021 09:33

@GhoulWithADragonTattoo

We’ve had the disaster that is Brexit as well as the pandemic. I think we should avoid any more instability.
As if avoiding change was even an option.

Shove the skeletons back in the closet then. For now.

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