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It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

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RickiTarr · 09/03/2021 02:42

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”. Grin

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

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BlackBrowedAlbatross · 09/03/2021 07:59

That’s the bit the RF really need to clear up. Security should be based on need, not title.

Title doesn't = security though. Beatrice and Eugenie are princesses but no longer have security provided. PA pays for it himself.

ineedaholidaynow · 09/03/2021 07:59

But @Ostryga Archie doesn't automatically get the title Prince on birth as not grandson of a monarch so by that argument wouldn't get security from birth. But if the rules stay the same, would get a title on Charles becoming King as grandson of a monarch, so would get security then. So what happens in the intervening years re security?

Ostryga · 09/03/2021 08:01

@ineedaholidaynow

But *@Ostryga* Archie doesn't automatically get the title Prince on birth as not grandson of a monarch so by that argument wouldn't get security from birth. But if the rules stay the same, would get a title on Charles becoming King as grandson of a monarch, so would get security then. So what happens in the intervening years re security?
The queen offers a title, the same way she did Louis and Charlotte.

This is what it boils down to. M&H feel their child wasn’t offered the same and because of that was put at risk. Which he was. And once this all came out they moved to Tyler Perry’s home which included the security for them. They have been proactive.

ineedaholidaynow · 09/03/2021 08:04

So do you think the taxpayer should pay for security when they don't even live in this country?

Nith · 09/03/2021 08:04

@Ostryga

Because if Archie had a title, he would get security. It’s literally that simple.
It literally isn't. And he can get security very, very easily. I cannot believe that the cost is even noticeable to his multi-millionaire parents.
Lochmorlich · 09/03/2021 08:05

I think its awful that pp's accuse H & M of playing the race card. Thats like saying ' racism can't have happened to you because I'd sooner not believe it.'
We all know that subtle racism is prevalent throughout the uk. It's what intelligent racists in good jobs do so they can get away with it.

Ostryga · 09/03/2021 08:05

@ineedaholidaynow

So do you think the taxpayer should pay for security when they don't even live in this country?
Because at the time, they did live in this country.
BlackBrowedAlbatross · 09/03/2021 08:06

@Ostryga

Because if Archie had a title, he would get security. It’s literally that simple.
It's not as simple as that, PA's children are princesses and do not get security. Or not paid for by us, anyway.
ineedaholidaynow · 09/03/2021 08:07

Did Harry have security whilst living here?

Ostryga · 09/03/2021 08:10

The first 18 articles on the DM are negative stories about H&M. And that is one publication on one day. This campaign of hate has been going on for years now.

They need security.

PA’s children had security until they were 20 when he took over.

BlackBrowedAlbatross · 09/03/2021 08:10

@ineedaholidaynow

Did Harry have security whilst living here?
Yes. And their royal protection officers went to Canada with them while the RF figured out what to do, given that they couldn't expect UK taxpayers to fund security for people who no longer worked on behalf of the UK and had chosen to move away. Then I thought there was a deal with Charles where he agreed to pay for it short term until they were financially independent.
BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 09/03/2021 08:11

The Queen should have just not titled Charlotte and Louis. Save it for the heir alone. Then this wouldnt as dodgy as it does.

Medievalist · 09/03/2021 08:11

I'm also unsure why Harry relayed that conversation about baby's skin tone to her. What did he hope to achieve?

^^ This. If it was an offensive remark I would expect him to have responded by tearing into whoever said it, but not by relating it to Meghan.

WhiskyIrnBru · 09/03/2021 08:15

White people need to stop minimising a woman of colours experienced.

I will never know the struggle, thankfully.

Her story is similar to everything Diana had said before her but with race thrown in.

Why is this country so obsessed with defending the RF,even when it is blatantly obvious they're in the wrong? And even less outraged at how awful the press are?

We know they hack dead girls phones. We know they lie and create fake stories. We know they hounded Harry's mother and potentially contributed to her death?

Why is it a shock that they are racist? It's blatantly obvious they were/are.

Case in point the Daily Fail ran a picture of H&Ms house from above and then showed another house a few blocks away that was for sale. Under the premise of being able to be neighbours. Can't we see this is a blatant 'F you' because H&M mentioned the Daily Fail had printed a picture of their house in Canada, risking their safety.

It so outrageous.

ineedaholidaynow · 09/03/2021 08:16

So how happy would the uk taxpayers be if we were funding their security whilst not actually doing anything Royal and sitting on their own fortune.

They wanted to be independent but still get money

Confusedandshaken · 09/03/2021 08:18

@UsedUpUsername

let alone a natural born disruptor

Translation from the wokish: total drama queen

A 1920s born misogynist like my dear granddad would say total drama queen. He would also say women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the the kitchen. He paid me what he thought was the ultimate compliment when he told me I had fine childbearing hips.

This 1960s born woman would say Megan has high self esteem and an strong sense of her own worth. I don't agree with everything she does but I admire her strength and determination.

JustLyra · 09/03/2021 08:18

It's not as simple as that, PA's children are princesses and do not get security. Or not paid for by us, anyway.

@BlackBrowedAlbatross They did have security as children. Paid for by the tax payer.

Lavanderrose · 09/03/2021 08:18

Of course they needed more security than the average royal. They’ve received multiple death threats, a lot of it linked to her race. There was also that threat of a bomb on their wedding day.

JustLyra · 09/03/2021 08:20

@Shosha1

Surely if Archibald was to be made a Prince, as a GGrandson of the Queen, so should August, Princess Eugenie's son? Havnt seen her asking about it.
Not remotely the same situation.

Archie will be HRH Prince when his Grandfather becomes King (unless as Meghan said they were told that will be changed). Eugenie's son will never be grandchild of a Monarch.

ineedaholidaynow · 09/03/2021 08:20

PA's children are grandchildren of the monarch though aren't they

Livpool · 09/03/2021 08:20

I don't actually care much about this whole thing - I think the RF need to be scrapped and couldn't care less about H & M. They all sound ridiculously spoilt when you consider what it going on in the world.

But I agree with @ineedaholidaynow - why should the British tax payers pay for security when they don't want the job it comes with - and have their own fortune?!

PegasusReturns · 09/03/2021 08:20

If my brother and his kids had security, and my parents said well actually you don’t need any, even though the risk was the same, I would be rightfully pissed

The risk isn’t the same though is it?

William is a working royal and 2nd in line to throne. Completely different position.

JustLyra · 09/03/2021 08:23

@BlackBrowedAlbatross

That’s the bit the RF really need to clear up. Security should be based on need, not title.

Title doesn't = security though. Beatrice and Eugenie are princesses but no longer have security provided. PA pays for it himself.

The reason the York girls had their security removed was because it was deemed not needed.

Meghan said in the interview that she and Harry were told that Archie would not be given security as he had no title. Not because he didn’t need it.

JustLyra · 09/03/2021 08:23

@ineedaholidaynow

PA's children are grandchildren of the monarch though aren't they
Which is why their need for security was assessed and they were given paid for security until it was assessed that, as adults, they didn’t need it.
Ostryga · 09/03/2021 08:24

The risk is far greater to H&M. There are people that actively wish harm to them, stirred up by the right wing media.

To not be protected against that by your own family is abhorrent.