It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

[RickiTarr]

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”.

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

@Nith

I find it faintly bizarre that Meghan makes such a big deal out of having a title. She comes from a country that takes pride in equality and not dishing out pointless titles, so why is it so dreadful that her child doesn't get one?

Yes, and I think she implied she did want A to have a title (regardless of the protection issue). O pushed her on this point for clarification.

There do seem to be a few provable things that MM said that are untrue or stretching things - the supposed wedding 3 days before the real wedding (impossible under the law), not seeing her half sister for 18 years (is a photo of her with her sister 13 years ago at a graduation) and a few other things like this issue over the usual practice in terms of titles.

The best thing the Queen can do is nothing and it will blow over.

@Nith

I find it faintly bizarre that Meghan makes such a big deal out of having a title. She comes from a country that takes pride in equality and not dishing out pointless titles, so why is it so dreadful that her child doesn't get one?

Because of who they are? I mean it’s not hard to understand she wants to protect her son. She can’t just take him out for a wander, there are people that wish them very serious harm.

Hence why they moved to a place that included security. I don’t know a single parent that wouldn’t be horrified if their child’s life was at risk, and would want to protect them. She was just being a mum.

I'm sure Harry is grateful that he is the spare not the heir. Can't imagine he has ever wanted to be King with the extra restrictions that brings

They are not poor. It's not like they were told they couldn't have security it's just that they were told taxpayer wasn't going to pay for it. H and M are completely free to be able to fund it for themselves

"and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really"

Harry has a personal wealth of £30000000. It took take me a thousand years to earn that. Could he not buy in his own security?

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

Harry has a personal wealth of £30000000. It took take me a thousand years to earn that. Could he not buy in his own security?

Of course he could. He doesn't want to. The Royal Family prefer to sit on their insane wealth rather than actually spending any of it - it's for us normal folk struggling to get by on average wages to support them. Obviously.

@Ritasueandbobtoo9

Harry has a personal wealth of £30000000. It took take me a thousand years to earn that. Could he not buy in his own security?

Quite.

He has bought his own security??

If my brother and his kids had security, and my parents said well actually you don’t need any, even though the risk was the same, I would be rightfully pissed off.

I think it’s more of what they didn’t say that speaks volumes, yes they claim that security was the key issue but didn’t seem to comprehend that the British tax payer would have to pay for it as the Canadians refused. They really haven’t thought this through.

There is no difference in discussing whose features the child would have than Oprah asking what the sex of the baby is, why does that matter.

Tbh I think it’s pretty grim them playing the race card. I’m pretty sure if they were that concerned about racism they wouldn’t have moved to the most overtly racist country in the world! Mind you they have moved there for a quiet life!!!

Nothing they say actually makes sense -all this leaving things up in the air over who said what, when they got married (then once they had got people riled up doing a bit of a reveal/backtrack) it’s fucking pathetic, like they couldn’t have insisted the clarification took place in the interview! Asking Oprah to reveal it “if she had the chance”.

Why the fuck their private office couldn’t have sorted counselling? Harry is fucking useless if he didn’t sort this!

Oh I want to make it up with my family so I though I’d wash all of our dirty linen in public, hint they’re racist, I mean I know Harry has never been the brightest button, but really?? Like this is going to make things better.

And Meghan couldn’t just google why her kids weren’t going to be Prince/princess automatically.

They’re trying to swirl up a hornets nest and relying on there being enough stupid people in the world who can’t see exactly what they’re up to. His brother must be in despair.

Basically Meghan thought she would be a princess, everyone would be falling at her feet, dressed in expensive clothes, servants at her beck and call. If she didn’t realise she was basically going to become an employee in the Firm who actually need to work for the privileges and that work included acting in a certain way they she should be wondering why her husband failed her so much.

Ugh, I agree with the daily mail! 🙈

But Harry must surely know what the protocols are and should have explained them properly, right? It does seem disingenuous to imply a link to skin colour.

And she is a light-skinned mixed race woman having a baby with a pale ginger man - was anyone really wondering how "dark" their baby's skin would be?

I did feel sorry for Meghan & Harry, but they now seems to be making a career out of doing global interviews moaning about their lack of privacy which is a bit hypocritical. On the James Corden interview, Harry said something about his life will always be about public service, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of that going on now, does there?

@Ostryga

He has bought his own security??

If my brother and his kids had security, and my parents said well actually you don’t need any, even though the risk was the same, I would be rightfully pissed off.

The security was a perquisite of his role as a working Royal.

Suppose you have private medical insurance paid for by your employer. If you leave, would you expect them to keep funding it just because leaving your job doesn't mean you're at any less risk of becoming ill?

@Ostryga

He has bought his own security??

If my brother and his kids had security, and my parents said well actually you don’t need any, even though the risk was the same, I would be rightfully pissed off.

Not sure the risk is the same, in fact. Princess Anne's children don't have royal protection, for instance. They would only reach the same level of risk if Harry and Meghan choose to be high profile, and if it is their choice it seems fair that they should pay.

Well of course they didn’t forward plan for no security? They assumed, like most people, that it was a given. Considering Harry is a Prince.

Megan sounded mixed up. If the real issue was security for Archie and his siblings, why didn't they plan to spend Harry (and Megan's money) on that, instead of on an $8 million home in California? Just like any super rich, famous person. I'm sure her friends the Clooneys and other A list stars could have given tips on how to manage it. If Harry and Megan had stayed senior working royals, their homes and travel would have been protected anyway.

I'm also unsure why Harry relayed that conversation about baby's skin tone to her. What did he hope to achieve?

If she doesn't read press about herself, as she told Oprah, how does she know all the negative things written? Who is telling her, and why? She wanted the Palace to crack down on negative stories, and they didn't. They rarely commented on stories in the past. Fuel/fire. Someone should have explained that to her (Harry?).

@Nith

Have you not seen the hate, violence and awfulness spewed at them every day? If anything the risk is much, much more severe for H&M than PW.

I find it faintly bizarre that Meghan makes such a big deal out of having a title. She comes from a country that takes pride in equality and not dishing out pointless titles, so why is it so dreadful that her child doesn't get one?

Because of who they are? I mean it’s not hard to understand she wants to protect her son. She can’t just take him out for a wander, there are people that wish them very serious harm.

Hence why they moved to a place that included security. I don’t know a single parent that wouldn’t be horrified if their child’s life was at risk, and would want to protect them. She was just being a mum

How on earth would being called Prince or Your Royal Highness protect them, @Ostryga? Surely the reverse?

Because if Archie had a title, he would get security. It’s literally that simple.

I watched the interview twice and didn't hear her say anyone had said Archie couldn't be a prince because of his skin colour. Maybe I just didn't 'get' that; I heard them both talk about the skin shade remark made by senior royal and about Archie not being a prince but unconnected.

Where's this baby toddling off to that requires security 😁

McDonald's?

Surely if Archibald was to be made a Prince, as a GGrandson of the Queen, so should August, Princess Eugenie's son? Havnt seen her asking about it.

@thesunwillout

Where's this baby toddling off to that requires security 😁

McDonald's?

Are you really asking that? I mean, put SOME effort into thought.

Security does not depend on title. Eugenie and Beatrice are both HRH Princesses and grandchildren of the Queen and don't have it provided and Edward, the Queens son does not have security unless on an official visit, so Harry and Meghan were not quite being truthful in that. And as Harry would know full well that only senior working members of the Royal family get security provided I don't see how he would think he would keep it once they stood down.

@Shosha1

Surely if Archibald was to be made a Prince, as a GGrandson of the Queen, so should August, Princess Eugenie's son? Havnt seen her asking about it.

Does Eugenie and her family have the constant violence, newspaper articles whipping up a froth and the same level of threat?

No they don’t.