It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

[RickiTarr]

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”.

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

@PegasusReturns

If my brother and his kids had security, and my parents said well actually you don’t need any, even though the risk was the same, I would be rightfully pissed

The risk isn’t the same though is it?

William is a working royal and 2nd in line to throne. Completely different position.

At the time Harry was a working royal and no less high profile than William.

Security provided by the police should never be purely about position. It should be about the threat level.

If they were told Archie wasn’t going to be given security regardless of need then that should be explained because that’s not how police protection works.

Is Harry really so dumb he didn't explain the family protocol and rules in advance. Is M so dim she thought she could change them?

H&M had and have enormous privilege, it is not unreasonable to expect a little decorum in return. For a couple who object to the invasion of their privacy, they are doing little to protect it moving forward.

The greatest favour the British press could do for us is to stop reporting in relation to them. Total radio silence. I doubt very much they will like it.

I think their comments that they didn’t care so much about the Prince label as the lack of security is a very fair point. They are incredibly high profile and their children should get royal protection.

Lots of the interview seems to be vague and slanting towards how everyone is against them/their son but when you dig deeper it isn't necessarily so.

Victim culture

So how happy would the uk taxpayers be if we were funding their security whilst not actually doing anything Royal and sitting on their own fortune.

They wanted to be independent but still get money

A lot happier about it compared to how I feel about Hancock securing multi million PPE deals with his mates, most of which was ineffective. Government have caused thousand of deaths due to their blundering, how crazy is it that Meg gets so much more hate. Harry is our prince, whether he’s living in this country or not. He should have some protection.

I feel the titling of C and L is not with regard to the fact that they are her grand children but are the children of the future king. This is why A is not a Prince. Secondly, I think so much comes down to a total lack of understanding of how most royal families work by Meghan - very long standing practices, very slow to change, conservative etc. As an American woman of colour if she had 'buckled' down, learnt the ropes and lived the life expected of her for a few years she could have been a real power for change but sadly she chose very early on to fight against centuries of protocol.

A recent poll found that 84% of British BAME consider Britain to be somewhat or extremely racist. 64% have been racially abused to their face multiple times.

The problem is that many/most white Brits do not believe that racism is a serious problem. Sure it happens very occasionally, but it’s just the odd bad egg. They believe this because the powerful people they listen to in the media always tell them that Britain is a wonderful, tolerant country with no need of serious change in any regard whatsoever (least of all hereditary monarchy!). These people in the media view virtually every post 1930s development in Britain as something negative. They liked the 1920s/1930s - or at least believe they would have done.

Of course, they are always reasonably wealthy in this fantasy imagination role play, not one of those who dies in their forties from preventable illness, probably related to slaving away for the aristocracy.

Anyway, so many/most white Brits do not believe that racism is a serious problem. So any time racism is in the news, the default starting position of about half the country is to downplay, or to put it down as exaggeration or as cultural misunderstanding or that the situation is politically motivated etc etc.

They mostly like the thought of living in a tolerant, multicultural(ish) country as it feels good and they get to experience some of the benefits. But they don’t like hearing anything negative from those minorities which calls into question their rosy view of things.

@Roystonv

I feel the titling of C and L is not with regard to the fact that they are her grand children but are the children of the future king. This is why A is not a Prince. Secondly, I think so much comes down to a total lack of understanding of how most royal families work by Meghan - very long standing practices, very slow to change, conservative etc. As an American woman of colour if she had 'buckled' down, learnt the ropes and lived the life expected of her for a few years she could have been a real power for change but sadly she chose very early on to fight against centuries of protocol.

I think the titling of Charlotte and Louis was primarily because W and K wanted their children to be treated the same and their wish that George not know he’s future king until he’s older.

It also helped kill the conversation that had come about at the time whereby people realised that had Charlotte been first born she’d have been the future Queen and yet she still would have been Lady Windsor because the sexist element of the “eldest son of the eldest son of the Prince of Wales” in the 1917 LP’s hasn’t been changed.

@Roystonv

I feel the titling of C and L is not with regard to the fact that they are her grand children but are the children of the future king. This is why A is not a Prince. Secondly, I think so much comes down to a total lack of understanding of how most royal families work by Meghan - very long standing practices, very slow to change, conservative etc. As an American woman of colour if she had 'buckled' down, learnt the ropes and lived the life expected of her for a few years she could have been a real power for change but sadly she chose very early on to fight against centuries of protocol.

I’m not sure protocols should be preserved at all costs. People mocked her for not knowing that family members courtesy in private to the queen, I had no idea that was the case! She probably was imagining it to be similar to the president, who is head of state and loads of pomp and ceremony but still has the chance at a moderately ordinary family life in private. Surely it’s more surprising that they do keep protocols in private than that Meghan was caught off guard.

I thought the curtsy thing was funny.
Why on earth do adults curtsy to the Queen. It’s definitely outdated, but the interview is very bizarre - they want privacy - they have no money - they got cut off - they want to be “humble”.
Yet, they live in LA, in a 20,000sq ft house with 16 bathrooms.
It’s not slumming it.

@RickiTarr

Maybe she genuinely was baffled by it all *@Insertfunnyname* ?

It must all sound bizarre to an American, let alone a natural born disruptor.

But surely not to Harry? Presumably, being a Prince himself and all, he would be aware?

I think Harry badly let her down. There are so many things he clearly didn’t tell her and you have to wonder why.

@Marpan

I thought the curtsy thing was funny. Why on earth do adults curtsy to the Queen. It’s definitely outdated, but the interview is very bizarre - they want privacy - they have no money - they got cut off - they want to be “humble”. Yet, they live in LA, in a 20,000sq ft house with 16 bathrooms. It’s not slumming it.

I have sympathy with this because they couldn’t just rent a 3 bedroom apartment in LA could they? The press would make their lives literally unliveable. Being incredibly famous but not the wealth to shield yourself sounds hell to be honest.

* As an American woman of colour if she had 'buckled' down, learnt the ropes and lived the life expected of her for a few years she could have been a real power for change but sadly she chose very early on to fight against centuries of protocol*

What are you on about it? The queen liked her, they got on well, she was really good at the job. Harry even said that their was jealousy at how well she took to it. But our media decided to push a campaign of hatred about her, and she became unwell, with no support from the RF they had to leave. She is far from perfect, but then no one is.

Ok, looks like the results are finally in.

Harry and Meghan 6/10
Toxic British Monarchy 0.1/10
Toxic Gutter Press 0.1/10
(the Mail, the Sun, the Express, the Telegraph)

@WhiskyWhiskersdottir

Exactly *@JustLyra*

There have always been ways to disguise racism with talk of protocol, precedence, privileges and etiquette. It’s basically disguising racism as classism. Both are disgusting.

That is not the case here. Archie was not titled Prince because of his father is not the son of a monarch nor the first son of The Prince of Wales. That's why - doesn't matter what colour, ethnicity he had, he is just not titled Prince. However, when Charles becomes King, Archie's father will be the son of a monarch and Archie will be titled HRH Prince. How is that racist? He will also become HRH The Duke of Sussex when Harry dies.

Edward's children are titled Prince and Princess but their parents chose not to use those titles, Andrew did choose to use them for his daughters. Anne's children - 'cos Anne was a daughter of a monarch- are not titled. Anne turned down a title for her first husband Mark Phillips when The Queen offered an earldom so the two children had no title at all.

Edward and Anne seem unfussed by Prince and Princess titles for their children and live quietly. Their children have no individual Royal security. Andrew is an entitled egotist, full of his own importance who fritters money away like water on private flights, multimillion houses, is rude to his staff and demanded Royal protection for his daughters. Seems like Harry and Megan have chosen the Andrew model.

@Bambooshoot

Isn't it more due to the rather questionable parentage of his father?

There is no questionable parentage of his father, Harry looks very much like the DOE and in some angles like Charles, the affair with Hewitt didn't start until after Harry was born and there is red hair in Diana's family

It’s not a A bit naughty it’s a complete misrepresentation and done so while insinuating racism which means the mass majority are distracted from the truth

So you can’t believe what she said in regard to this you can’t believe what she said in regard to them getting married in Private so what can you believe ?

She either is utterly calculating or completely thick and ignorant around the things she’s talking about I’m still not sure which

They did have security as children. Paid for by the tax payer.

Yes, but that's the point. Things are changing, the RF is being streamlined and costs cut. Having a title no longer means you get security. Princess Anne and Prince Edward, the Queen's children and full-time working royals, no longer have it unless on an engagement. I don't think it's unreasonable to apply the same rule to others.

Lyra - thank you, I agree and meant to say that too!
Parent - maybe not but those protocols were in place at the time and it was her new job as it were to learn those, enquire about what to expect, listen to what she was told. It was a very strange and unusual new job that was not going to change to accommodate her but nonetheless she naively even aggressively fought against what it involved. Whatever colour, nationality, background this is not what you do in any new post and this was one fully in the public eye, as a very junior member of staff and working for a very prestigious company.

wow so racism is now a "bit naughty"

Isn't it more due to the rather questionable parentage of his father?

There's nothing questionable about his parentage.

The reason the York girls had their security removed was because it was deemed not needed.

I think it was to cut costs and was partly to do with Home Office and Met budgets. Anne and Edward also lost their 24/7 protection, but surely the risk is the same for them as it has always been.

Do we se them complaining on the media @BlackBrowedAlbatross

Have other Royal grandchildren complained their children haven't had the title Prince/Princess?

Well if you marry someone that refuses to make any effort to understand your country, your role and what’s expected within the family then it’s your own fault really. You don’t get to go crying about how unfair it all is without looking like a shit stirring numpty. Maybe a bit of forethought would have made the world of difference instead of burning more and more bridges