It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

[RickiTarr]

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”.

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

[quote MrsTabithaTwitchit]Very good article in the Times today by Trevor Phillips . Do read , despite the title in the link he is pretty even handed and most of all thoughtful .

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/meghan-and-harry-blew-the-chance-for-royal-renewal-xdhl3prs7[/quote]
Thank you - I also posted this upthread also but it’s behind a paywall.

@Roussette

red yep! I forecast what people would say in reply to me, and I was right!

Maybe because deep down inside you know that just saying the words mean nothing and their actions and what was said during the interview given at a time when one of the parties he claims to love and respect was in hospital recovering from heart surgery, doesn’t match.

I don't think it matters why they wondered if Archie would be "white enough" whether it would be white enough to be Royal and have the priveledges that entailed or white enough for the media or anything else.

The fact it was said, and I do believe it was said, is disgusting.

The fact it was said, and I do believe it was said, is disgusting

You need to learn the difference between Facts and Beliefs - it's very important in life. That goes for Harry and Meghan as well.

You need to learn the difference between Facts and Beliefs - it's very important in life. That goes for Harry and Meghan as well

Any everyone hating on Meghan needs to learn about media bias. When MM first went public with Harry, the media fawned over her and the general public thought she was a "breath of fresh air" and "a new start" for the RF.

It's only when the media started pitting her against Kate to sell papers that the public turned against her.

You're all hating on a woman you know nothing about.

Maybe because deep down inside you know that just saying the words mean nothing and their actions and what was said during the interview

😂🤣

No. I've just been on these threads for so long I can prophesy what some posters will say! No need to analyse my inner thoughts, I'm a very simple creature

The fact it was said, and I do believe it was said, is disgusting.

I believe it’s likely that something insensitive was said, but the reason I believe that is that there has been more than one report of Harry doing and saying things that are offensive, and obviously the rest of the family have the same public school/army/upper class background.

In comparison to Harry’s actions, however, this may have just been an awkward and badly thought out remark.

If Harry is to be allowed leeway because it is accepted that humans make mistakes, why not his family?

The family would have had security at Frogmore and in the UK but not if they live in the United States or Canada.

I do have to correct the 'heart surgery' because that is unnecessarily dramatic.
He had a stent. My DH had two 10 years ago. I am not however minimising its effect on a 99 year old man. But it wasn't surgery. It was a procedure.

The fact it was said, and I do believe it was said
but was is the IT ? you don't even don't know, none of us do, they didn't even bother to say. H&M don't seem to even agree when 'it' was said.

do you know if someone under 10 mentioned it innocently while talking about a new cousin? no you do not.
do you know if it wasn't a conversation with H about the very real chance that there would be horrible stuff said about his own baby by racists, knowing how thin skinned he is about all the Hewitt shite? and the grief his mother got and the damage its done to him? no you do not. none of us do.

Does Meghan know her husbands background over race? The many examples that have come up since this interview? Oh yes, she doesn't google him at all does she?
Her dad did though.
Harry should have dealt with his families prejudices himself. Raised it with everyone and thrashed out their problem with his then girlfriend. Had a meeting and explained his concerns over how she would be treated by them moving forwards. They knew that he was serious about her.
Did he do this? No he didn't.
He is a spineless idiot and told Meghan about this conversation when she was pregnant..

@redspecial

The fact it was said, and I do believe it was said but was is the IT ? you don't even don't know, none of us do, they didn't even bother to say. H&M don't seem to even agree when 'it' was said.

do you know if someone under 10 mentioned it innocently while talking about a new cousin? no you do not.
do you know if it wasn't a conversation with H about the very real chance that there would be horrible stuff said about his own baby by racists, knowing how thin skinned he is about all the Hewitt shite? and the grief his mother got and the damage its done to him? no you do not. none of us do.

I think that both are possible, and also think it’s possible that Harry heard the remark as criticism. I can imagine the AIBU thread from both sides.

He is a spineless idiot

I think he is human, but the Royal Family doesn’t really allow for humans.

The word ' concern' is the sticking point here.
It changes the whole narrative.
Until we know who said this we can't really comment too much really as she has said 'oh I can't say who it was ' etc etc
She wanted to put 'her truth' out there for billions to hear but won't name the person who has caused this rift. Harry has hinted at problems with his dad. They have left everyone hanging and another divided country over these very serious issues that it has raised about our establishment and how it operates.

@Frequency

You need to learn the difference between Facts and Beliefs - it's very important in life. That goes for Harry and Meghan as well

Any everyone hating on Meghan needs to learn about media bias. When MM first went public with Harry, the media fawned over her and the general public thought she was a "breath of fresh air" and "a new start" for the RF.

It's only when the media started pitting her against Kate to sell papers that the public turned against her.

You're all hating on a woman you know nothing about.

I'm not 'hating' her at all, I'm critical of her, there's a huge difference there as well. Stop falsely accusing people.

@the80sweregreat

Does Meghan know her husbands background over race? The many examples that have come up since this interview? Oh yes, she doesn't google him at all does she? Her dad did though. Harry should have dealt with his families prejudices himself. Raised it with everyone and thrashed out their problem with his then girlfriend. Had a meeting and explained his concerns over how she would be treated by them moving forwards. They knew that he was serious about her. Did he do this? No he didn't. He is a spineless idiot and told Meghan about this conversation when she was pregnant..

Exactly. If he really believes what he preached above all, he could have stood up there and then to the family, privately. But it doesn't look like he did, otherwise we would have heard of it from him too. Spineless.

@Roussette

I do have to correct the 'heart surgery' because that is unnecessarily dramatic. He had a stent. My DH had two 10 years ago. I am not however minimising its effect on a 99 year old man. But it wasn't surgery. It was a procedure.

Fine, procedure. Does it really make a difference as to whether they were thoughtful or respectful of people they claim to love and respect when dropping these various allegations on them. Words and actions don’t match, that’s the point.

do you know if it wasn't a conversation with H about the very real chance that there would be horrible stuff said about his own baby by racists

This is the likeliest scenario, as part of a wider conversation about their many differences and the speed it all happened and in the context of the impact of disastrous marriages on the children and the RF.

@redspecial also hits the nail on the head re the titles The slimmed down monarchy would have included Harry and whoever he chose as a bride but not their kids. Otherwise it perpetuates what they are trying to slim down. So Charles children titled prince/princess, but only the DC of the next in line to the throne titled and so on. Prince George's kids will have prince/princess titles, but Charlotte and Louis' DC won't. It isn’t personal. Edward and Sophie get it and don’t style their children HRH, PA in usual entitled a*hole form chucks his toys out and insists on the whole princess malarkey for his girls. It’s no secret that PC doesn’t agree with it but currently it’s not his decision. People saying the two sons should be treated equally are missing the point. They aren’t equal, only one is the heir.

It’s also unthinkable that she wouldn’t have been able to access mental health care. I do believe a desire to check into The Priory wouldn’t have received resounding support, for obvious reasons.

The RF is a family

The RF is a public institution.

They were critical of the institution.

We can’t have it both ways, the horrible situation is because of RF public norms. Yet when they criticise these, it is somehow a family matter?

I think Harry said the conversation was had when they were dating. So whatever the result of the conversation or eco said it they married. Charles walked Meghan down the aisle & seemed enchanted. William was his best man. Would you want either of those people to take a prominent role in your wedding if you thought they were racist? So who does that leave? He’s said not HM or PP. So that leaves Andrew - I can believe that, Kate, Sophie, Anne or Edward. Or any of the cousins. Edward chatted with Meghan at the commonwealth service so I don’t think it’s him as I don’t think she’d give him the time of day if true.

the amount of posters still making excuses for racism is mind blowing.

Eco - should read ‘who said’

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42462724

Re racism, you don’t need much imagination to think of members of the RF who might have made racist comments.

Apparently it wasn’t Prince Philip, but he certainly has form.

However, none of this is new.

The Royal Family have their roles because their ancestors were more successful at invading and colonising than other people’s ancestors.

That is the nature of royalty.

Disney tends to gloss over this detail.

@Samcro

the amount of posters still making excuses for racism is mind blowing.

This is why Meghan should have said who said these things. Harry wasn't on that segment early on. She just went ' it would be damaging to them ' well it's damaged everyone , many of which are not racist because we can't read minds as to who has prejudices against bi racial people and who doesn't. Or who had prejudice against her in particular and made her feel uncomfortable etc.

If your going to speak the truth , then at least have the balls to speak out properly. She didn't , she just hinted at things.

I thought it was meant to be a senior royal? That’s why I gave those particular names upthread. I may have misunderstood though.