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It was “, 'a bit naughty' to imply Archie 'couldn't be a prince because of the possible colour of his skin' when it was due to strict rules,...”

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RickiTarr · 09/03/2021 02:42

Hugo Vickers made me laugh with his phrasing. So British to say “a bit naughty”. Grin

Also, seriously high lights how many people don’t understand the rules or can’t explain the rules well, and no American has a hope of grasping our quaint & complicated rules and institutions, really.

Sorry, it’s the Daily Fail, but funny.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9340545/Why-Meghan-Markle-bit-naughty-referring-Archies-skin-colour-prince-discussion.html

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Mummy195 · 13/03/2021 11:45

recollections may vary = we identified the the person and spoke to them. They did not mean it the way it was taken. So the RF knows who it is, so why don't they tell us and explain what this person meant actually.

Problem is there were various conversations.

The 'palace sources' have not give us the name, so it's someone protected, so forget PA and Sarah. They would be thrown under the bus in a second. Unlikely that it's Kate whom MM described as a good person. Now and again, the press puts out snarky little reports and 'polls' about bypassing Charles - presumably a warning to PC, that after waiting so long, we can bring you down. So either the 'sources' said it was PC and this is used as leverage for future stories etc. Same could be said for W.

A colleague once told me how she saw a partner of someone she knew, in a situation that they thought he was cheating. She went over to him, so he knows that she knew. She said she did this to give him the chance to explain himself and his side of the story as she knew that it would come out all wrong for her to tell the friend herself.

Mummy195 · 13/03/2021 11:47

Also,
H response about his relationship with W.

Space = He is dead to me.

What on earth is W waiting for. I have not spoken to him, but will do.

SallyLockheart · 13/03/2021 11:53

so does Harry want to repair his relationship with his brother, his sister in law, his father or not? could he not pick up the phone given he is the one that has caused all this mess in public? or is he a complete coward?

merrymouse · 13/03/2021 11:55

@SallyLockheart

so does Harry want to repair his relationship with his brother, his sister in law, his father or not? could he not pick up the phone given he is the one that has caused all this mess in public? or is he a complete coward?
Why would they make it public if he had?
Roussette · 13/03/2021 11:57

Works both ways.

Has William tried to contact Harry?

Given that Charles stopped taking Harry's calls at one point, and asked him to write to him instead... has Charles tried to contact Harry?

I can't imagine ever ignoring my adult DC's calls. Not ever.

We don't know but I can rewrite your post saying 'does William and Charles want to repair their relationship with Harry?'

Darker · 13/03/2021 12:00

Royal family life is not like other people’s family life...

Iamdobby63 · 13/03/2021 12:08

‘Recollections may vary’ might actually refer to the fact that Megan and Harry’s recollections appear to vary.

ImAncient · 13/03/2021 12:10

Problem is there were various conversations

Were there? I thought Harry said one? Before they were married? From what I understood Meghan wasn’t privy to the conversations at the time. I think In a court of law that’s known as hearsay. So can’t be relied on? But I’ve not practiced for years so I’m sure someone with up to date Legal knowledge will let me know.

In any event this conversation that Meghan recounted was second hand. It’s entirely possible it wasn’t as she said exactly as she wasn’t there. Btw I’m not disputing a conversation took place, although one of them says when pregnant, the other before they married. Inconsistencies don’t help.

Roussette · 13/03/2021 12:18

Royal family life is not like other people’s family life

Ain't that the truth.

When you have to make an appointment to speak to your own Mother, that's an understatement!

Samcro · 13/03/2021 12:24

@the80sweregreat oh yes that would have gone so well.

just imagine the out rage if she had named the person.

she couldn't win either way. she was right to bring it up though,

Roussette · 13/03/2021 12:26

Totally agree Samcro

They would've been annihilated if they'd named anyone. Seriously they would, and any of you who dislike them would know this. I can see the posts now...

Sprining · 13/03/2021 12:27

In racism claims, if a member of a firm says something racist to a third person it counts. It doesn’t have to be directly to you. And anyway, Harry is hardly a bystander, it is his unborn child they are presumably making racist comments about.

There were likely a number of racist conversations and incidents and ‘micro aggressions’. It rarely is a one off, it is a pattern of behaviours that accumulate and result in acute mental distress for the victim.

The Oprah interview was just that, a chat show, not an interrogation.
It is up the the RF as a public institution to investigate. William saying it is not racist just puts to bed that any serious and impartial investigation will take place

merrymouse · 13/03/2021 12:36

When you have to make an appointment to speak to your own Mother, that's an understatement

And curtesy to your own mother.

I think one of the problems is that the Royal Family really take all the titles and protocols seriously, because if they don’t why should anyone else?

However, that can’t be very good for their relationships.

Marmaladeagain · 13/03/2021 12:38

Harry clearly said it was "right at the beginning" of him getting together with Meghan. Seeing as the comment was said to Harry, I'll take that as the horse's mouth and deduce that it was about a potential marriage, a potential baby and potential comments from the press or others that might upset Harry.

Others decide to ignore what Harry actually said how vague it was, but to go with a version of Meghan's that implies it was about unborn Archie. Harry didn't say that.

Harry is known to be racist himself so he should understand he might have been on the receiving end of some racist comments - I imagine if it was my relative I might point out that he might find himself on the receiving end of racist comments as opposed to just dishing them out to P**is and he might find that difficult.

Roussette · 13/03/2021 12:39

To be honest merrymouse I find it totally and utterly pathetic.

Ok... if you have to do all this outside the palace walls, go for it, but when you are doing this behind closed doors, something is very wrong. That, to me, says the monarchy comes way way way before your own family, your own flesh and blood, your own children.

merrymouse · 13/03/2021 12:43

@Sprining

In racism claims, if a member of a firm says something racist to a third person it counts. It doesn’t have to be directly to you. And anyway, Harry is hardly a bystander, it is his unborn child they are presumably making racist comments about.

There were likely a number of racist conversations and incidents and ‘micro aggressions’. It rarely is a one off, it is a pattern of behaviours that accumulate and result in acute mental distress for the victim.

The Oprah interview was just that, a chat show, not an interrogation.
It is up the the RF as a public institution to investigate. William saying it is not racist just puts to bed that any serious and impartial investigation will take place

Investigate and do what?

The whole premise of the Royal family is that people have their roles because of birth, not because any intrinsic personal quality.

It’s not comparable to having a job where you might be sacked. Once you start evaluating performance you are on a quite slippery slope.

Impatiens · 13/03/2021 12:44

@Roussette

Totally agree Samcro

They would've been annihilated if they'd named anyone. Seriously they would, and any of you who dislike them would know this. I can see the posts now...

Instead they're happy to no allow others to be annihilated, based on an allegation with no detail. That's really shitty behaviour. Pp
Impatiens · 13/03/2021 12:45

*to allow

Roussette · 13/03/2021 12:51

Disagree.

They had no choice as far as I'm concerned.

merrymouse · 13/03/2021 12:53

That, to me, says the monarchy comes way way way before your own family, your own flesh and blood, your own children.

I think that has never been in doubt.

The Queen reconciles herself to the role because she has a strong sense of duty.

That has conflicted with personal relationships, most obviously when her son and sister couldn’t choose who to marry.

Mummy195 · 13/03/2021 12:53

@SallyLockheart

so does Harry want to repair his relationship with his brother, his sister in law, his father or not? could he not pick up the phone given he is the one that has caused all this mess in public? or is he a complete coward?
How on earth is H causing the problem. He is not the one who is being racist. The problem was caused by the racist.

H also explained how he was blocked form talking to his family. How HMQE invited him and then out of the blue some secretary blocks it. It would seem that he was blocked from talking to PC too. He does feel let down they let that happen though.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/03/2021 12:55

I'm just clutching at straws because change is desperately needed. I suppose there will be focus on this when the Queen goes

Given some of his more feudal attitudes I wouldn't hold your breath; I've no doubt there'll be plenty of spin about him "modernising things" but whether they'll translate to action is something else again

This thing about him wanting to "slim down the monarchy" though ... I'm aware (who isn't? Hmm) of the endless reports about it, but does anyone know if he's actually said anything along these lines himself?
I've never been able to find anything, but perhaps someone else knows better ...?

derxa · 13/03/2021 12:56

@merrymouse

He is a spineless idiot

I think he is human, but the Royal Family doesn’t really allow for humans.

I think if you watched William and Kate at their school engagement then you might conclude that they are very much human. Harry did not deal with the racist conversations properly. He just stored them up as ammunition against his family when he didn't get his own way. He wanted money from Charles and Charles stood up to him probably for the first time.
Impatiens · 13/03/2021 13:01

@Roussette

Disagree.

They had no choice as far as I'm concerned.

I predicted you would say that. 😂
Roussette · 13/03/2021 13:05

Hehe... we're getting good at these predictions! 😂

We must all be sooooo boring, we know what each other's going to say!

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