Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

[DontReallyCareBut]

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

The allegations made by Harry & Meghan were in a prime time interview, they provided no evidence, there was no cross questioning, they simply spoke their "truth". Whether this is the truth, only H & M and those involved know. It most certainly was not the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so why are people buying this as if it is ?

They "didn't" assist in the writing of the recent book and as that is now for sale in the discount outlets. I presume the book failed fo make the impact that was hoped for.
Step in Oprah, who got the scoop of a lifetime and gave H & M the oppurtunity to be unsilenced !

There ensued the whole gammet of hurt, encompassing the latestzeitgeist of rascism, mental health issues and suicide, with the latter echoing so extraordinarily the problems of Harrys late mother. History, indeed repeating itself.
It is claimed that Archie wasn't given a title because of his colour and would not be offered royal protection, these have both been addressed by other posters and as they say has nothing whatsoever to do with what the colour of your skin.
Apparantly a member of the royal household questioned what colour Archie would be.
It is claimed they felt unsupported and un-understood - are we really expected to believe that a family and an institution that has cared and looked after Harry for his entire life suddenly stopped the moment Meghan arrived, I think that is highly unlikely.
Charles apparantly cut Harry off financially, well it's not like H & M would be destitute without his help, between them they have millions !
The press/media intrusion, well just thinking back both Camilla and Kate were given a very rough ride by the press. Do H & M not have any idea how it looks to us plebs when one minute they vilify the media and the next minute they court it ?

There were and apparantly will be, even more revelations / Allegations !

I know revenge is apparantly a dish best served cold, but to wait till now to voice their truth ? If things are really as they claim and this serious why didnt they say anything before ?

To top it all, all this was from a swanky garden in designer clothes and vertiginous heels (Meghan, not Harry obs) seriously!

I hope the royal family, the firm, the institution, whoever these allegations have been made against, speak out. The gloves are clearly off.

It is, of course, possible to discuss a baby’s skin colour without it being racist.

But it is also possible to do it in a way that is racist.

I expect M would know the difference.

The problem is, nobody is allowed to discuss M without being called racist. It seems to trump everything.

It’s often ‘character’ that people don’t like. Not ‘skin colour.’

@OliviaBensonsEyebrow

So Bea and Eugenie don't have security paid for by the state either.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/08/why-meghan-harry-son-archie-denied-title-prince-mixed-race?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

That's right, all the same rules were applied to Archie as are applied to everyone else. Basically, in Royal terms, he is quite low down in the pecking order. When Charles is king, Archie will be in the position that the Tindalls, B+E and Edward's children are in now. Charles has been talking about streamlining the family for some time, so the will he / won't he be a prince argument pre-dates Archie I think. And therefore is not about how white he is.

The current grandchildren of the monarch all have different approaches - Anne declined to give her children royal titles, Andrew wanted his daughters to be princesses (Charles has said this practice will stop when he takes the throne though, I think). Edward / Sophie / the Queen decided that Edward's children would not be princess and prince. It's more about a pre existing plan to limit the number of titles in future, than about racial discrimination. (I think.)

Beatrice and Eugenie did have security cover, but this was removed at Charles' instigation a few years ago - Andrew was furious. All part of Charles slimming down the monarchy - although the intention was always for Harry and his family to be included, until they decided not to be!

As the DC of a son of the Monarch, Edward and Sophie's DC are entitled to use the title Prince and Princess, but their parents decided not to land them with this. A sort of midway house between Anne's DC (No title as the DC of a daughter!) and Andrew's princesses!

@ElspethFlashman - they have clarified. Not the Queen or Phillip but a senior royal close to the couple.

@luckylavender I’ve just seen that in the news too , it still leaves plenty of others though.

Since they brought up the topic - cant they say exactly what was said?

Oprah asked M who made the comment about Archies skin colour, M said it would be too damaging to them to say . I hate this sort of thing, it’s like when someone starts to tell you something and then stops and makes a song and dance about it with all the ‘oh I can’t say , ooh maybe I can tell you, no no I can’t’

I think if she’s going to say things like that she should own it and tell the whole story.

You almost expect her to say "pm me hun" rumours are going to be now that its Charles or William because really they are the other senior royals after the queen and Phillip

@OverweightPidgeon

Oprah asked M who made the comment about Archies skin colour, M said it would be too damaging to them to say . I hate this sort of thing, it’s like when someone starts to tell you something and then stops and makes a song and dance about it with all the ‘oh I can’t say , ooh maybe I can tell you, no no I can’t’

I think if she’s going to say things like that she should own it and tell the whole story.

But if the context is explaining why she felt uncomfortable, or whatever, then all she needs to do is explain the environment, and the effect on her.

If she wanted to take out a grievance of point a finger, then yes, name the individual.

IF the Palace hold some sort of inquiry (as they should, to match the bullying enquiry) then they will need to know who, but confidentially, as in any complaint.

I hope they do give their side, we could all do with a bit of comedy at the moment. Wasters.

Cheers Harry and Meghan, now please go and enjoy your family and leave us all in peace.

@TidyDancer

There will be leaks from 'sources' but I doubt any official statement tbh.

Chris Ship (think it was him) said his sources said the comment didn't come from the Queen or Prince Philip. He speculated that meant it was either Charles or William or their wives. Bare in mind, we don't know the tone or the context of the comment either.

How can having concern of a baby's skin colour have any tone or context that sees it as not an racist thing to say? Implying the tone or context not being mentioned somhow changes what it is

They are already engaging in tit for tat with the bullying story that has been released.

They correctly anticipated that a lot of shit was about to hit the fan and decided it would look better to get the bullying story out there first.

I think that has backfired, because a lot of people can easily imagine someone in the RF engaging in crass spacation about Archie's skin colour, and everyone can recall the relentless tabloid hatred directed at Meghan that BP did nothing about. And the refusal of security despite no change in threat level just looks like pure spite, imo.

What I don't understand is why Harry passed on this conversation to Meghan. If my in-laws or any of my husband's friends had said something so shocking to him about our soon to be born child, I know for definite he would not tell me about it.
He was shocked, knew Meghan would be severely upset by it, why did he not protect her from it and just cut off contact with said racist?

MM is a black woman 'looking for issues' ?????

I have officially heard it all now.

M&H are indeed well shot of the UK.

I think it's a really sad situation as the children will be the ones missing out on having extended family on both sides and there's no going back for Harry after this.
To be honest i'm not surprised about the racism in a establishment that is still behind with the times in many ways but I don't believe they were pushed out by it.
Most of it sounds like jealousy and them stamping their feet a bit when it comes to having the bits that appeal to them like titles and security and not wanting the responsibility that comes with it. As for Archie not having a title, I don't believe this was down to the race of their child. Wasn't it always planned to scale back on the RF?

I mean if they had the security and Archie had the title of Prince would she have been happy to stick around despite everything? I will watch the full interview tonight but to be honest them cashing in on this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I understand it must have been hard and its not for everyone, but they had a choice to leave and live a quiet life. It's like she wanted all the fairy tale stuff but realising she couldn't have it she's now taking on the role of trying to be Americas bloody princess.

Why would the state pick up the bill for their security?

Because they are the son and daughter in law and grandson of the future king, whose own close relative was blown to bits by the IRA. And maybe having sufficient security or more professional or properly vetted drivers would have prevented Diana's death too.

The RF is apparent incapable of learning from experience. (This is clear from their handling of Andrew too).

I do feel that often when someone won't reveal the source of a nasty comment it's either because

1. the comment was never made
2. the comment has been misunderstood and the accuser knows that
3. in this case the comment came from some lowly courtier that has already been dealt with, but it makes a better story to imply it came from higher up.

They should point out that Archie, as a great grandchild isn't a prince. Might also help to point out that Prince Edward's kids are Prince or princess either.

With the mental health treatment, I can see a conversation going a bit like this;

M: I need help
Palace: ok, here is a list of pre security vetted therapists you can reach out to first, private sessions can be arranged just as with your husband.
M: no I want to go away to this facility
P: well ... we haven't security vetted that place... or that place promotes x alternative treatment ... or going there could be seen as an advertisement for it

How about this NHS facility / facility that we can vet and be sure of

M: no

@mathanxiety

Why would the state pick up the bill for their security?

Because they are the son and daughter in law and grandson of the future king, whose own close relative was blown to bits by the IRA. And maybe having sufficient security or more professional or properly vetted drivers would have prevented Diana's death too.

The RF is apparent incapable of learning from experience. (This is clear from their handling of Andrew too).

But they are no longer working royals. A choice they made themselves.

A lot of famous people pay for their own security. Do you think the US tax payer is picking up the tab for Brad Pitt's security?

@mathanxiety

Why would the state pick up the bill for their security?

Because they are the son and daughter in law and grandson of the future king, whose own close relative was blown to bits by the IRA. And maybe having sufficient security or more professional or properly vetted drivers would have prevented Diana's death too.

The RF is apparent incapable of learning from experience. (This is clear from their handling of Andrew too).

They aren't working royals which means no money from the privy purse.

Security is one reason minor royals live in the palace complexes.

Add to that, providing their security abroad is hugely expensive as we have to pay for these security people to live away from home.

He also complained about being cut off financially... erm he's a 36 year old man, he shouldn't be living off his dad's money.

But Charles was paying out of his duchy money he cut them off when there year was up

As Prince Andrew has comfortably demonstrated, they don’t come out of it well when they set about trying to defend their behaviour. What are they going to do, claim they weren’t being racist when they asked how dark the baby was going to be? Pretend that they had Meghan’s best interests at heart when they took her passport and told her she had to stay at home all the time?

The best they can do is reach out with extensive apologies and try to achieve some kind of reconciliation before it’s too late for all of them.

How did Megan get to New York for her baby shower without a passport?