Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

[DontReallyCareBut]

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

[quote mainsfed]@Motnight

What child is going to appreciate their mother going on national tv to confirm her adultery? It's not a huge leap to see that this would negatively affect her children, is it?

Has it affected them? They both seem happily married with kids and well adjusted.

This is just another way to shut women up.[/quote]
Nothing to do with shutting women up! Nothing at all. You are reading stuff into my posts that just isn't there.

If she considers herself black that's fine.

WTAF have I just read @MrPickles73? The Duchess of Sussex is black. Can you not see your racism and probable misogyny? Because I can.

@redspecial

exactly how is not reading that bloody awful paper or not knowing where a neighbourhood half way round the world is, racism? let alone minimising racism?

It's minimising racism because it's widely known and reported that she's been the victim of racism, and she herself says she has, and yet the response of so many people is to say "well I don't read the tabloids so i don't know anything about it" - in other words minimising. The anti-racist response would be to say "I may not have read those tabloids myself but I don't doubt she's experienced awful racism and I'm going to play my part to ensure this stops happening by [insert anti-racist action here - eg talking to my DC about racism etc]" and NOT "well I didn't see it so it doesn't matter or it didn't happen".

Meghan Markle stated that a member of the Royal family made a racist comment but wouldn’t say who.
So why say something that will cause the worlds media to speculate for years to come that a member of the Royals said this alleged comment? Why make a serious accusation but not say who said it?

@Dave20

Meghan Markle stated that a member of the Royal family made a racist comment but wouldn’t say who. So why say something that will cause the worlds media to speculate for years to come that a member of the Royals said this alleged comment? Why make a serious accusation but not say who said it?

Harry also said it, but don’t let that stop you from being misogynistic hey?

Dione, I don't believe you are factually correct.

Meghan Markle's mum has mixed-race heritage and MM's dad is white. I believe in the UK that makes you mixed-race or bi-racial.

WRT the racist comment.

This should either have been backed up with who said it and the context or this should not have been brought up at all.

Harry should have put up or shut up. Do people really not get it that someone's life has just been thrown under a bus. William isn't even King yet and his whole reign as head of the commonwealth is screwed because he is implicit in this allegation.

Harry needs to put his money where his mouth is. He isn't brave. He is a coward who lives off other peoples money.

I am factually correct. The Duchess of Sussex is a black woman.🤷‍♀️ Time for the racists to get over that fact.

@Dave20

Meghan Markle stated that a member of the Royal family made a racist comment but wouldn’t say who. So why say something that will cause the worlds media to speculate for years to come that a member of the Royals said this alleged comment? Why make a serious accusation but not say who said it?

They both said different things.

Meghan said that there were 'conversations' when she was having Archie, about how dark he would be.

Harry said that in their early days, pre marriage, someone had said something about the colour of their (then prospective) kids skin colour, and that he was shocked.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9339991/JAN-MOIR-gives-verdict-Meghan-Markle-Oprah-interview.html

Harry also said it, but don’t let that stop you from being misogynistic hey?**

He said it after his wife said it. The horse had already bolted by then and he had to commit to it.
No one other than those there at the time knows what was said. So who really gives a shit?

Regarding Archie’s skin tone- all this ‘context’ thing is baffling
From the way Harry spoke, it was obvious that what was said offended him.
If Harry said that the issue of Archie’s skin tone was of ‘concern’ to this individual, then that is what he means . This individual implied that the colour of Archie’s skin could be an issue,
People need to stop gaslighting them
They didn’t name the individual and I can understand why. Therefore it is up to the individual concerned to come out and explain what they meant in order to protect the reputation of other members of the royal family

Withholding the name has encouraged maximum upset.

@Janegrey333

Withholding the name has encouraged maximum upset.

But if they had mentioned the name people would have lambasted them for that too

@Lampzade

Regarding Archie’s skin tone- all this ‘context’ thing is baffling From the way Harry spoke, it was obvious that what was said offended him. If Harry said that the issue of Archie’s skin tone was of ‘concern’ to this individual, then that is what he means . This individual implied that the colour of Archie’s skin could be an issue, People need to stop gaslighting them They didn’t name the individual and I can understand why. Therefore it is up to the individual concerned to come out and explain what they meant in order to protect the reputation of other members of the royal family

It's white people minimising racism and shouting down anybody who dares to speak up.

If Harry had said who it was, he'd be accused of making it worse too. You can't please all the people all the time and in this case the Sussexes were never going to please the racists and the Piers Morgans of this world.

They've disclosed neither the name nor the details of what was said. Even the when- and therefore whether it was about Archie at all or about a theoretical unconceived child - is sketchy. They've stretched the truth in many other areas so it seems pretty reasonable to want to know what was said and in whatever context before denouncing anyone as being disgraceful racists.

@Lampzade
True but at least everyone apart from the Queen and Prince Philip would not be implicated, as is presently the case.

They introduced this anecdote so now they should be honest and name the person. The ‘before the wedding’ reference is pointing to a certain person. They are playing games now and watching the fallout with glee.

That’s the problem with stretching the truth - to word it delicately - everything from that point in is questioned. But maybe they are happy with that.

...point on...

It's white people minimising racism and shouting down anybody who dares to speak up. its also the loudest republicans maximising negativity and shouting down anybody who applies a shred of critical thinking irrespective of anyone's skin colour.

Harry has thrown his own grandmother the monarch, his own father and brother, and the reputation of his country - all of which he claims to love and to serve - under a fucking bus for potentially one throwaway comment, which they can't even get their story straight about. All for no longer being given enough pocket money from his daddy or from us, the taxpayers, to cover his wannabe fabulous celebrity lifestyle. And in the name of 'protecting' family. He's 'protecting' absolutely nothing and offered himself and his wife up to a feeding frenzy, something they claim not to want at all.

What would his mother think of him doing something to drive such an almighty wedge with his brother? She wouldn't support any of this.

[quote Janegrey333]@Lampzade
True but at least everyone apart from the Queen and Prince Philip would not be implicated, as is presently the case.

They introduced this anecdote so now they should be honest and name the person. The ‘before the wedding’ reference is pointing to a certain person. They are playing games now and watching the fallout with glee.[/quote]
I agree it's pointing to a certain person and and a certain conversation which is what makes me really question what was said, how and why. That conversation has already been made out to be mean and unreasonable when I don't think it was (in fact it seems prescient) so I could well imagine something being said in a "this might cause even more abuse, are you sure you can cope" way as part of that.

thrown his own grandmother the monarch, his own father and brother, and the reputation of his country - all of which he claims to love and to serve - under a fucking bus

This country threw itself under the bus.

They threw themselves under the bus and so did the country. Now the world can see our true colours and shame on us.

W&K looked pretty stressed in photos today and Charles was all smiles.

Unless Charles is a better actor than Meghan is supposed to be, it doesn't seem to be Charles waiting for the sword of damacles to fall, does it?