Harry & Meghan - to hope the Royals answer back?

[DontReallyCareBut]

I think the allegations in the Oprah interview are serious enough that protocol should be breached and the Royals should have a voice to give their side too.

I'm not fucking white washing

I'm just saying that INITIALLY from the PHOTOS I SAW that I didn't realise she was black.

I wasn't so interested in he that I felt the need to research her and find out more.

@Aspiringmatriarch

His nanny would likely be one trained in security as well. Yes, he or she would probably be armed to the teeth and proficient in several martial arts, at a minimum.

Generally security is more about avoiding a scenario where arms are necessary. More intelligence and less James Bond style shoot outs

So yes a nanny trained in threat detection, awareness of how people may try to get close, advanced driving, etc.

@Slumpington

I have a question. The clip I’ve seen Meghan just says there was a conversation about how dark Archie’s skin would be but she doesn’t clarify what was said. Has she explained further?

As it’s conceivable that someone simply said to Harry that he would need to be prepared for some difficult reactions from some members of the public / media if Archie was darker skinned, and comments on parentage. Which I don’t think is a horrendous thing to say, it’s unfortunate but sadly also accurate.

Unless I’ve missed it and she’s clarified what was actually said, why are people assuming that ‘conversation’ = racist comment?

I think Meghan reaction came from harry. So the person said it to him and he relayed it to Meghan. When Harry very vaguely I thought mentioned it, it sounded like it was way before Archie, so when he was dating Meghan, someone said, what about the kids what colour will they be? I though...just my interpretation

[quote May17th]@00100001 you need to educate yourself a bit more culturally then . Have a look through her photos not just one.

The baby has a black nose. Maybe your too hung up on the fact that she isn’t the darkest but she most definitely cannot pass for white..... I don’t think they would be all this fuss if she could for a start let’s be real![/quote]
Yes, upon further images being seen since she became more well known, it's clear she has some black heritage.

But the photo I posted, it was not obvious that she was black. Sorry.

@00100001

I'm not fucking white washing

I'm just saying that INITIALLY from the PHOTOS I SAW that I didn't realise she was black.

I wasn't so interested in he that I felt the need to research her and find out more.

I watched suits for ages and didn't realise she was mixed race until it was mentioned on the show when her dad on the show came in to it.

@Anne1958

I would love to know what the comment was. When I was pregnant we speculated if my baby would have red hair as husband has reddish brown hair and red hair strongly runs in his family. When my friend was pregnant she openly wondered what he babies skin colour would be because her partner was of colour and she was very pale so she used to joke about it. Maybe something was said but I do feel these they are quite defensive and sensitive to people's comments so I hope it wasn't just a breakdown in communication

We’re a mixed race family with members of the family coming from 4 continents. When a new baby is on the way we spend time wondering out loud as to which parent the baby will take after or will it be both. It’s even more interesting when a sibling is being born and we end up with combinations we never even thought of.

It’s no different to my British side of the family when someone is pregnant and both parents are white.

I suspect thats as far as the supposed conversation went

I know what you mean.

You could be right.

@00100001 you watched the interview didn’t you? You have seen more than one photo of her right? What is the issue? You clearly are being deliberately obtuse.

Have you not seen MM mother before or did you assume she was white too?

It’s funny how your engaging about someone with so little knowledge.

@00100001

I'm not fucking white washing

I'm just saying that INITIALLY from the PHOTOS I SAW that I didn't realise she was black.

I wasn't so interested in he that I felt the need to research her and find out more.

You are though. You’re saying she doesn’t look black enough for you, so you assume she’s white. That’s the definition of whitewashing.

Harry clearly said the conversation about the baby's skin colour was 'awkward' and he was 'shocked'. This wasn't general chit chat about who the baby will go after.

You are though. You’re saying she doesn’t look black enough for you, so you assume she’s white. That’s the definition of whitewashing.

Absolutely.

@Anne1958 are you living under a rock? Generally hair colour is not racist it’s skin tone that is seen as derogatory more often. Not someone being blonde or ginger.

That is why the man who worked for BBC was sacked for putting a monkey over Archies photo and rightly so. It’s disgusting.

Is the leaning on this thread that it was racism in the main that caused the problems? I don't get that impression. For me, it seems the complaints are more sketchy, broad, and quite thin - if not blatantly untrue or contradictory?

I can't see MM's blackness either I'm afraid its not the first thing I see. She is a beautiful woman with a fab wardrobe and a successful actress. Tbh I don't care if she's white, hispanic, black whatever. If she considers herself black that's fine. I'm not a fan of everyone being labelled I think it's very divisive.

Clearly discussing the colour of the baby in this situation was wrong and whoever did it should apologize. But that should be a private apology not a public flogging. I'm not a fan of people discussing family grievances on tv.. it's a kin to the Jeremy Kyle show.

@DoubleTweenQueen

Is the leaning on this thread that it was racism in the main that caused the problems? I don't get that impression. For me, it seems the complaints are more sketchy, broad, and quite thin - if not blatantly untrue or contradictory?

They've made some pretty big accusations but as you say in a sketchy, broad way which makes it extremely hard to tell. The baby skin colour conversation, for example, you have Meghan's interpretation of Harry's interpretation of a conversation which happened some time before. We have no idea what was said, what the wider context was and so on.

It’s A Royal Jeremy Kyle? Edward can produce...

@BalancedIndividual

Tbh, why doesnt the queen just strip harry of his royal titles?

But the best response would be to simply say that they are not going to play these childish games or respond to false accusations.

Because she'll be seen as punishing him for having an opinion. Naughty boy punished by Granny. Also his titles come from being part of the family as such, not what he does. Taking them away is akin to telling him to never darken their door step again

I guess it's a good distraction from covid which is v dull..

I’m guessing it was William or Charles, and it was mentioned before the marriage. Something along the lines of... are you prepared for the reaction from certain quarters relating to mixed race marriage and the skin colour of any children. I cannot imagine it being said while she was actually pregnant.

It’s probably a conversation that happens up and down the country.

I’ve personally no idea why mixed race marriages and children are the subject of vitriol in certain places, but unfortunately it does exist and it’s probably a good idea to be aware of this.

I imagine at the time it wasn’t seen as too much of a problem from Harry’s point of view (he seemed quite laid back and not the brightest), but perhaps as the relationship with this member of the family soured, he brought it up as a way of proving his point.

It’s impossible to know if it was a racist comment or not without full context.

That’s my opinion anyway...

That's the problem. It's hard enough to get people to understand the complexities of being POC and suffering racism day in and day out. This just makes it worse for British POC. Not all of us think she's in the right.

@Lollipop1234

I’m guessing it was William or Charles, and it was mentioned before the marriage. Something along the lines of... are you prepared for the reaction from certain quarters relating to mixed race marriage and the skin colour of any children. I cannot imagine it being said while she was actually pregnant.

It’s probably a conversation that happens up and down the country.

I’ve personally no idea why mixed race marriages and children are the subject of vitriol in certain places, but unfortunately it does exist and it’s probably a good idea to be aware of this.

I imagine at the time it wasn’t seen as too much of a problem from Harry’s point of view (he seemed quite laid back and not the brightest), but perhaps as the relationship with this member of the family soured, he brought it up as a way of proving his point.

It’s impossible to know if it was a racist comment or not without full context.

That’s my opinion anyway...

That's my thinking too at the moment - Harry has said himself that he's become aware of racism since M taught him about it so it seems totally possible that he's reevaluated a conversation which may have been awful or may have had a different tone and context entirely.

The version where they claim it was said about an already conceived baby and is the reason for withholding a title just doesn't seem likely.

Everyone should just ignore it. Harry is like a toddler who cannot control their emotions or back down, he will just come back with bigger and bigger hysterics until they 'win'. None of this does anyone any good.

I think @Anne1958 has it right re the comment. However, it was a daft conversation to have knowing how the Sussexes will extrapolate anything that fits their down trodden viticm narrative.

Where is Jeremy Kyle?