Harry and Meghan - everyone still being respectful please

[Oldbutstillgotit]

Lots still to talk about .

I don’t think anyone would or does dispute that Meghan is well placed to speak about racism. I think people have expressed surprise that Harry feels that he can lecture others about it. It would indeed be interesting to hear of Meghan's personal experiences of racism but unfortunately it seems they would both rather spout nonsense and tell others what to do. It is somewhat insulting that they express surprise that Black History month is a thing over here. It has been a thing since 1987.

It is somewhat insulting that they express surprise that Black History month is a thing over here. It has been a thing since 1987. It is definitely a thing in schools. Being a teacher I know this. Perhaps Eton didn't bother with Black History month.

@ Mummy195 and other M and H supporters , do you think they they collaborated in some way with the authors of FF ?
What do you think about the list of 49 things that the MOS has published as evidence ?

This
unherd.com/thepost/prince-harry-should-try-looking-the-east-end-in-the-face/

You can't engage in good faith with people whose stance against racism, classism and misogyny is limited to MM and is then used to try to justify attacking others. It's a shame they are too short-sighted to see that their abusive behaviour does not benefit H&M. But I think the grey rock strategy is probably best. Then lurkers can clearly see where those attacks are coming from.

So so true. I’m back to smiling, nodding, and scrolling past them.

@SunbathingDragon
I know a lot of what MM says here, always gets twisted, but please do not twist my sentence and put words in my mouth/post. I never mentioned the race of ppl on MN.

I also never said the UKiP and Neo Nazis represent the UK.

Where are you reading all of this. Please go back and re-read my post carefully, you simply must have just scanned it and came to your own conclusions. But, please do not accuse me of things I did not say.

So sorry @SunbathingDragon

My previous message was for @AnneOfQueenSables

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ Mummy195 and other M and H supporters , do you think they they collaborated in some way with the authors of FF ? What do you think about the list of 49 things that the MOS has published as evidence ?

Good question Waiting for replies now

@Mummy195

So sorry *@SunbathingDragon*

My previous message was for @AnneOfQueenSables

Thank you for your apology. Whilst I know we very rarely agree, I do believe that I do read the posts that I reply to.

Mummy195 you seem quite happy to cast the UK as a whole as being highly racist. Which is, quite frankly, bollocks. Yes there are racists, yes there is structural racism but as a whole this is actually one of the least racist counties in Western Europe.

fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdf

@Oldbutstillgotit

Sorry, but I have not seen the court papers, so do not know about the 49 things. Do you have a reliable link to the court papers?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/12820623/meghan-markle-friends-feed-finding-freedom-claims/amp/

This is from The Sun but there are numerous reports should you wish to google .
Papers have been lodged with Court .

@Mummy195

Speaking of the Queen....................

This is from Walesonline, re the National Assembly, and was 2013

Nope, I don't think they collaborated with the book any more than they did with Lady C book.

@Mummy195

Nope, I don't think they collaborated with the book any more than they did with Lady C book.

Do you disagree with the judge who is on record as saying that he believes Meghan does give Omid Scobie private information?

Mummy195

Nope, I don't think they collaborated with the book any more than they did with Lady C book.

I don’t think anyone would believe they collaborated with Lady C...

Anyway how do you think OS and CD managed to obtain so many deeply personal details ?
How will you feel if it transpires that there was some sort of collaboration?
I remember how disappointed I was to discover that Diana had indeed collaborated with Andrew Morton .

[quote Ninjava]Mummy195 you seem quite happy to cast the UK as a whole as being highly racist. Which is, quite frankly, bollocks. Yes there are racists, yes there is structural racism but as a whole this is actually one of the least racist counties in Western Europe.

fra.europa.eu/sites/default/files/fra_uploads/fra-2019-being-black-in-the-eu-summary_en.pdf[/quote]
Try being black in Australia. We were surprised at how racist Oz society is (and not in a good way).

I don’t think Lady C ever claimed that they had any input into her book whereas OS specifically said he had talked to friends and to the couple where appropriate I believe.

Re the Sussex Squad - one of the 'leaders' (who received a phone call from D&D of S) referred to HMQ as an 'ancient hoe'..

Well @Oldbutstillgotit, my suspicion is that he wrote the biography the same way that the other 6/7 were written about H&M as well as how other biographies in general are done.

By going over newspaper, tv, magazine reports etc. and possibly going back to sources to re-hash the validity of the stories. And perhaps, hearing the story once again, but with a different take on that same story. eg. it can't have been hard to get info on their first date from Soho house staff. That date must have been the talk of the locker rooms for weeks.

He probably spoke to her friends who would have trusted him to tell the truth and not twist it. I remember the actress Catherine McPhee on Jeremy Vine, saying she did not really know MM and they were together for a short while (either theatre or acting school or something), but she left out the fact that her husband is so close to H that he organised for the rental of the Canada house. She only revealed this in the US, after H&M move. Maybe she only trusted certain outlets or she did not want to be hounded.

Maybe he also got some of the info from the same 'palace sources' as the rags.

I also think he made his own conclusions or guesses on some items. I suspect that he went to the safari camp and asked something along the lines of where is the loo, and when told it's quarter mile a away, did his own maths and peppered it, so the book is not too boring and stifled, he did after all say that he wants ppl to see the romantic side. Either himself came up with that romanticism or the sources did, could be a mix of both. Another example is when he heard when Mike Tindall said they have a family WhatsApp group, looks like he/ or his source concluded that everyone is in it, including PC, which it turns out he is not.

One of my problems is how H&M are constantly pre-judged as they will do bad things. So I am not too comfortable to do that a bit like 'minority report' style.

Interestingly, Ingrid Seward just recently wrote a biography on PP and not one person said anything about a collaborate. Or 'fingerprints all over the book'.

From the get go both H&M and Omid denied any collaboration on the book, before it even came out for distribution.

From the get go both H&M and Omid denied any collaboration on the book, before it even came out for distribution.

That's not true. Scobie stated that he spoke to a number of people, and even the couple on occasion, but quickly rowed back on that. So he either lied, or has been leaned upon.

@ Mummy195 ok I respect your opinion however I am not sure if your comparison of Ingrid Seward’s book on PP and FF is a good one . I admit I have only read excerpts of IS’s books but I have never read a Royal Biography ( and I have read a few) that has been so overwhelmingly fawning to one person , in this case MM. the closest was Diana , her true story and , despite denials, it transpired that she had collaborated .
As my Mum used to say - it will all come out in the wash !
Incidentally, the new biography by Robert Lacey Brothers at War looks interesting.

Also given the amount of law suits that have been issued on the grounds of their privacy having been invaded, it is surprising that none has been forthcoming in the direction of the book. Especially as it has details such as those about MM peeing in the bush. And what about all the price points on thing? It must have been very tiring to invent all these details and is not something you often see in a biography.