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Harry and Meghan, the one where every poster respects each other.

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Iknowthingsthatwillhappen · 19/09/2020 17:36

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8750345/Prince-Harry-joined-helicopter-club-California-Meghan-Archie-trips.html

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thefatladyscreams · 26/09/2020 15:22

Did anyone see this piece in the Telegraph? I know it’s from a right-wing conservative paper before I get criticised for that Grin

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2020/09/24/prince-harry-danger-ruining-americas-love-affair-royal-family/

thefatladyscreams · 26/09/2020 15:25

[quote Jaxsbum]@smilesy have you seen the attacks made on the people who do not "hate" mm? they have been ripped apart on another forum.
It is funny how the people doing that, call people like Roussette a bully.
they scream about how they have been "hounded" of mn, or that the "stans" have an in with mn hq.
they spring up and shut down any thread that has a positive theme about H&M. make malicious reports to mn hq about posters. pretend to think certain poster have MH problems and need to be silenced for their own good. now that is disgusting.[/quote]
I think it’s probably best that we restrict our conversations to things said here. I don’t think MN want mention of the other site and we’ll only end up getting this thread deleted.

Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 15:27

I don't buy that people will dislike the royals because of Harry, everyone knows he isn't a working royal. If anything, it's increased the popularity and positive press of other royals.

However, the Royal Family will lose a lot of goodwill once the Queen dies.

thefatladyscreams · 26/09/2020 15:31

Agree with your last point Royalinsider. I think even a lot of non-royalists have respect for her.

Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 15:32

I'm hoping that the press/book writers aren't sitting on lots of negative things/lies about her and waiting to release it once she is gone!

Jaxsbum · 26/09/2020 15:34

@thefatladyscreams you are most likely right. I was just backing up Smileys post. the hounding a bullying is horrid.

Jaxsbum · 26/09/2020 15:36

I wonder if the royal family(including the queen) will lose a lot of respect anyway. the latest thing about how they have lost money and will end up costing the tax payer more, is not going to sit well with a lot of people.

Roussette · 26/09/2020 15:42

Harry and Meghan have done the RF a huge favour. All the negativity is on them. The rest of them can go about their business with little criticism because there's always something popping up about H&M.

For instance, the Independent's headlines...
"Harry and Meghan's Africa tour cost £245,000"

A huge picture of them and 9 paragraphs all about that one tour. Then right at the bottom... "The Prince of Wales took a charter flight costing £210,345 for a two-day visit to Oman" and "Prince Andrew took a charter flight to Northern Ireland to attend the Royal Portrush Golf Club Open Championship, at a cost of £15,848," and "Princess Anne flew a chartered plane in Februray to Rome to watch the Italy v Scotland Six Nations rugby match, a trip that cost £16,440"

I just think the reporting is really unfair. Why nine paragraphs just about them and then a footnote at the bottom about the rest of the hugely extravagent members of the RF? They can't do a thing right, no wonder they left, it would've only got worse.

As I've said before many a time, I'm actually pretty indifferent towards them but I hate the way they are treated in the press and online. Even the good things they do gets twisted. And that's why I stick up for them

derxa · 26/09/2020 15:52

@MissEliza

I'll be honest. I had an open mind about MM because I just wanted to see H happy. However, I found the engagement interview a bit cringeworthy. She was very gushy. The story about the roast chicken was a bit odd as well. I think it later turned out to be made up. I also found W and K's interview interesting because K was much shyer and quieter than I imagined. Also, it was clear W was the boss in the relationship.
I agree with this. And the thing is I'm allowed to have an opinion about people in the public eye. Meghan and Harry want to be in the public eye otherwise they wouldn't have made all of their videos. I don't hate either of them and hope they will be happy in their new life. I find Gwyneth Paltrow's way of expressing herself annoying too. I don't hate her though. Why would I? Same with Meghan and Harry. I have the right to find both Harry and Meghan's pronouncements irritating.
Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 16:02

Don't compare them to Gwyneth, Derxa. Spare them that at least! 🤣

Maireas · 26/09/2020 16:03

Hello @derxa! How's your moral compass today 😂 😂?! Good points, I agree with you about Gwyneth Paltrow....

Trut · 26/09/2020 16:34

Ah, so Gwyneth is equally irritating? Yet not a single thread about Gwyneth, let along 200 👀

stairway · 26/09/2020 16:37

Maybe if Gwyneth has married Prince Harry there would be 200 threads

Trut · 26/09/2020 16:39

Why does she need to have been married to PH to have 200 threads? She is a ‘celebrity’ too

stairway · 26/09/2020 16:42

Did Meghan have 200 threads before she married Harry?

Trut · 26/09/2020 16:43

Honestly, just think about it. There are dozens of irritating and patronising celebs. But somehow one of them is picked and scrutinised and torn down repeatedly here, while others simply don’t generate the same strong feelings. Why?

And I’ll leave it that. I’m sure there will be many coming up with justifications, no doubt

Roussette · 26/09/2020 16:50

The justification is always that 'they preach at us'.

Someone will say how dare she tell us how to vote. They didn't. Meghan just encouraged people to vote. So bloody what, there's a string of celebs doing that all the time.

The hypocrisy. I think all the RF are guilty of that.

they won't shut up. You don't let them. I remember when they moved to this house they're in. They were very quiet for about a month or more, no one knew they'd even moved. Yet the Anti's were chafing at the bit and annoyed they were quiet because they wanted something to criticise them about.

Their privilege. Well... there's a million people you can have a go at for that.

And so on... it's endless.

thefatladyscreams · 26/09/2020 16:53

@stairway

Maybe if Gwyneth has married Prince Harry there would be 200 threads
Oh God, can you imagine!

I did google annoying celebrity and Donald Trump came up. Probably one thing we can all agree on Grin

Maireas · 26/09/2020 16:58

I'm just imagining Paltrow married to Harry. I think the disagreement about candles in St George's Chapel wouldn't be because they were Diptyque 😱

stairway · 26/09/2020 16:58

I think the thing with Meghan was she was probably was always annoying and preachy. When she was a minor celeb she could be ignored but now she has got that platform she wanted from marrying Harry so we all have to hear it from her and now him.

Serenster · 26/09/2020 16:59

The Queen has made comments about Scottish independence and other political things. Charles has his spider letters. Charles has undertaken similar legal action as H&M including against his diary being published. Several royals have edited magazines and newspapers, only Meghan was criticised. When Charles and William have visited an Islamic centre where a/some terrorist/s visited, nothing was mentioned... but when Meghan had a charity food project based in their kitchen, the headlines screamed about the 'links'. None of the women volunteering there were linked and were totally innocent.

There's hundreds of examples like this, either the other royal is not criticised or they have been previously, but it is never mentioned again/forgotten about

This post sums up the ridiculousness of this debate, to me, which is the confirmation bias of many taking part. You mention the Queen's comments before the Scottish Independence referendum, Charles' black spider memos - these are excellent examples of times when members of the royal family have been roundly criticised by the press for their actions.Perhaps that is why they are memorable? Other members of the press get criticised all the time. Do a google search for "Prince Charles criticised", "Prince William criticised" etc and a long long list of articles pop up , showing they have recently been criticised for taking private jets, going grouse shooting, their friendships, their holidays, their spending - any number of things. That's just the most recent stories. Charles was also criticised for his views on organic farming, modern architecture, shaking hands with Robert Mugabe at Pope John Paul II's funeral - I could go on (and on and on - he also opened Finsbury Park Mosque, stronghold of Abu Hamza - that and the terrorist links have definitely been brought up). Some of it inevitably falls out of people's memories as time passes, which is the nature of human recall, but it all happened and continues to happen. It gets discounted by those of the view that only Meghan gets criticised, though, because it doesn't fit in with their view of the world. And as for the forgotten about - they would have been in time too, save for the really memorable ones I imagine, just as has happened for other members of the Royal Family, had Harry and Meghan worked for a number of years and risen out the surge of press attention that they were always going to get as the new stars of the show.

A lot of the thing that people get so exercised about in Meghan's case also isn't criticism, it's just clickbait using her name to attract attention. The avocado story, which gets referenced again and again, had an attention grabbing headline: "How Meghan's favourite avocado snack - beloved of all millennials - is fuelling human rights abuses, drought and murder". But it's not criticising Meghan! It is using her name to attract people to open the article , while explicitly pointing out avocados are also beloved by all millennials - i.e. she is one of literal millions when it comes to liking avocados. Pointing at that as an example of Meghan being bullied by the press is ludicrous to my mind, as it is in fact rather a reflection of the huge amount of interest there is in her out there, and in people clicking to read stories to which she is tenuously linked. Which, given we know she is paying a PR agency to promote herself, actually sounds like the kind of position she wants to be in. No-one is shoehorning nonentities into stories to get people to read them, after all, they do that with really famous people....

LittleBearPad · 26/09/2020 17:18

@Roussette

"Charles has been frequently criticised for the letters and other issues, as have other Royals. I've read stinging criticism of the others in recent years. Much of it justified."

On here? I've never seen a Charles thread in that vein, maybe the odd critical royal thread over the years, but nothing to match the 200+ threads on M&H in the last year picking at everything.

Imagine if MN had existed in the 80s and 90s during the Charles and Diana mess 😱!
Roussette · 26/09/2020 17:26

I can't imagine!

Iknowthingsthatwillhappen · 26/09/2020 17:27

Well, I personally think that it is perfectly fine to put our personal views about M and H on here, and other posters can just ignore if they aren't happy. There, phew glad thats sorted.

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thefatladyscreams · 26/09/2020 17:42

@Iknowthingsthatwillhappen

Well, I personally think that it is perfectly fine to put our personal views about M and H on here, and other posters can just ignore if they aren't happy. There, phew glad thats sorted.
I second that. And accept that there is a difference in perspective that is genuinely held by all parties. HaM prove to be marmite.

I would suggest that this thread split into two - and each “side” for want of a better word could have their own thread to try and avoid the unpleasant bun fight this often becomes. But I understand some people feel the need to defend HaM against what they feel is unfair criticism. I’m not sure what the answer is - but it’s become really unpleasant to post here (a feeling that appears to be shared across perspective).

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