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Harry and Meghan, the one where every poster respects each other.

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Iknowthingsthatwillhappen · 19/09/2020 17:36

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8750345/Prince-Harry-joined-helicopter-club-California-Meghan-Archie-trips.html

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meercat23 · 26/09/2020 13:35

For me the thing about royal travel is that for most overseas trips they are undertaken at the request of the government and are seen as a way to promote links and/or trade. Presumably that is on the basis that the costs involved are An investment that pays off? Prince Andrew taking a private plane at public cost to watch the golf is an entirely different matter

Maireas · 26/09/2020 13:45

I can't believe he actually did that. His entitlement has no bounds. Yes, @Trut, I have put myself in his shoes, am I am criticising him.

smilesy · 26/09/2020 13:47

I have literally not logged on to Mumsnet for years but I have been lurking on these threads. I am now so incensed that I have reset my password so I can comment. I cannot believe that posters are complaining about misogyny hate etc being aimed at MM when certain posters have accused others of racism, anti- semitism and worse when you know nothing about these people on an anonymous forum. Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should vote and live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on. It is quite normal that people will have an opinion about this behaviour. However I have seen some appalling personal attacks on posters on this site and shame on Mumsnet for allowing them and the posters who made them to remain on this forum. It is abundantly clear that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of MM for the way she has behaved is subjected to vile accusations and abuse, before being hounded off completely. I am absolutely disgusted.

thefatladyscreams · 26/09/2020 14:02

@smilesy

I have literally not logged on to Mumsnet for years but I have been lurking on these threads. I am now so incensed that I have reset my password so I can comment. I cannot believe that posters are complaining about misogyny hate etc being aimed at MM when certain posters have accused others of racism, anti- semitism and worse when you know nothing about these people on an anonymous forum. Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should vote and live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on. It is quite normal that people will have an opinion about this behaviour. However I have seen some appalling personal attacks on posters on this site and shame on Mumsnet for allowing them and the posters who made them to remain on this forum. It is abundantly clear that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of MM for the way she has behaved is subjected to vile accusations and abuse, before being hounded off completely. I am absolutely disgusted.
Well said.
HarryDaylight · 26/09/2020 14:09

@smilesy

I have literally not logged on to Mumsnet for years but I have been lurking on these threads. I am now so incensed that I have reset my password so I can comment. I cannot believe that posters are complaining about misogyny hate etc being aimed at MM when certain posters have accused others of racism, anti- semitism and worse when you know nothing about these people on an anonymous forum. Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should vote and live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on. It is quite normal that people will have an opinion about this behaviour. However I have seen some appalling personal attacks on posters on this site and shame on Mumsnet for allowing them and the posters who made them to remain on this forum. It is abundantly clear that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of MM for the way she has behaved is subjected to vile accusations and abuse, before being hounded off completely. I am absolutely disgusted.
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Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 14:09

using private jets, driving large SUVs
All royals have used private jets and large cars (and William and Charles both have environmental iniatives). Harry used an electric Jaguar car at his wedding and an electric Audi in England in general, could the Cadillac have been electric or a hire car?

George and Charlotte get dropped off to school in a huge car, followed by another huge car in front and another huge car behind them (which is fine by me). William has owns a fleet of at least seven different cars.

The Queen has made comments about Scottish independence and other political things. Charles has his spider letters. Charles has undertaken similar legal action as H&M including against his diary being published. Several royals have edited magazines and newspapers, only Meghan was criticised. When Charles and William have visited an Islamic centre where a/some terrorist/s visited, nothing was mentioned... but when Meghan had a charity food project based in their kitchen, the headlines screamed about the 'links'. None of the women volunteering there were linked and were totally innocent.

There's hundreds of examples like this, either the other royal is not criticised or they have been previously, but it is never mentioned again/forgotten about.

Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 14:12

abuse, before being hounded off completely
What were the examples of abuse by pro/neutral Meghan commenters and who has been 'hounded' off?

Trut · 26/09/2020 14:14

“Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on”

So what? All of the RF are the same as I can see, they all talk about the environment and do, as far as I can tell, very little. In fact I think most celebrities pick causes and announce these to the world.

Irritating and deserving of an eye roll, no doubt.

But endless threads? And the constant criticism? How does anything H&M do harm any of our lives?

Most of us are guilty of believing in something we don’t entirely practice, we just have smaller platforms. 😊 Do we want others to slag us off because of that?

Maireas · 26/09/2020 14:15

@Royalinsider only Meghan is criticised!!
Where have you been??!! Charles has been frequently criticised for the letters and other issues, as have other Royals. I've read stinging criticism of the others in recent years. Much of it justified.

Trut · 26/09/2020 14:17

Sorry Royal, think we posted at similar times. You say it far better than me! 😃

Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 14:26

[quote Maireas]**@Royalinsider* only Meghan is criticised*!!
Where have you been??!! Charles has been frequently criticised for the letters and other issues, as have other Royals. I've read stinging criticism of the others in recent years. Much of it justified.[/quote]
You have totally misquoted me, I said:
Several royals have edited magazines and newspapers, only Meghan was criticised.(for doing this)
When she did it, a royal commenter specifically said that only celebrities guest edit, never royals - which was false then and is false now.

meercat23 · 26/09/2020 14:29

@smilesy

I have literally not logged on to Mumsnet for years but I have been lurking on these threads. I am now so incensed that I have reset my password so I can comment. I cannot believe that posters are complaining about misogyny hate etc being aimed at MM when certain posters have accused others of racism, anti- semitism and worse when you know nothing about these people on an anonymous forum. Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should vote and live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on. It is quite normal that people will have an opinion about this behaviour. However I have seen some appalling personal attacks on posters on this site and shame on Mumsnet for allowing them and the posters who made them to remain on this forum. It is abundantly clear that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of MM for the way she has behaved is subjected to vile accusations and abuse, before being hounded off completely. I am absolutely disgusted.
I agree
Trut · 26/09/2020 14:29

Well @Maireas, if every poster here who has ‘criticised’ H&M for something (say, the environment), could review in their own minds whom else they have criticised for doing similar. So, if poster x has written 3 posts about HM being terrible in the environmental front or whatever, have they written three similar posts about PC or W or K doing the same? I don’t mean on this thread, but on any other thread. If not, why not?

If I know about six people doing something irritating and criticise one more than the other, I would have to ask myself why? So taking it away from the abstract level of media, we can easily review our own actions and if we see no bias, then that’s great!

Trut · 26/09/2020 14:31

And sorry @Maireas, this was not meant at you specifically, it was a general observation

Oldbutstillgotit · 26/09/2020 14:32

Royalinsider
The Queen has made comments about Scottish independence and other political things.

HM made ONE public comment . She spoke to people outside a church in Scotland and said that she hoped people would think carefully about Independence.
Can you point me in the direction of of comments she has made about other political matters ?

Roussette · 26/09/2020 14:35

"Charles has been frequently criticised for the letters and other issues, as have other Royals. I've read stinging criticism of the others in recent years. Much of it justified."

On here? I've never seen a Charles thread in that vein, maybe the odd critical royal thread over the years, but nothing to match the 200+ threads on M&H in the last year picking at everything.

Maireas · 26/09/2020 14:36

Indeed, @Trut, although that would pre suppose opinion being bias free, which of course, by it's very nature, it is not. Who knows what people on here have criticised, we have not a window into their souls. Your points come from a good place and I'm glad Harry and Meghan have their champions, it makes any discussion far more balanced. Smile

meercat23 · 26/09/2020 14:36

@Oldbutstillgotit

Royalinsider The Queen has made comments about Scottish independence and other political things.

HM made ONE public comment . She spoke to people outside a church in Scotland and said that she hoped people would think carefully about Independence.
Can you point me in the direction of of comments she has made about other political matters ?

When HM made that comment she was also widely criticised for it.
Trut · 26/09/2020 14:46

@Maireas 💕 and 😊

SwordfishShashlik · 26/09/2020 14:58

If people don’t like these threads then why do they post on them and keep them in Active for other people to notice their existence and post on them and keep them in Active?

Oldbutstillgotit · 26/09/2020 15:04

@ meercat23 indeed she was and as far as I know she has never done anything similar before or since but @ Royalinsider may know differently.

Jaxsbum · 26/09/2020 15:07

@smilesy have you seen the attacks made on the people who do not "hate" mm? they have been ripped apart on another forum.
It is funny how the people doing that, call people like Roussette a bully.
they scream about how they have been "hounded" of mn, or that the "stans" have an in with mn hq.
they spring up and shut down any thread that has a positive theme about H&M. make malicious reports to mn hq about posters. pretend to think certain poster have MH problems and need to be silenced for their own good. now that is disgusting.

Royalinsider · 26/09/2020 15:13

@Oldbutstillgotit

Royalinsider The Queen has made comments about Scottish independence and other political things.

HM made ONE public comment . She spoke to people outside a church in Scotland and said that she hoped people would think carefully about Independence.
Can you point me in the direction of of comments she has made about other political matters ?

Charles is a better example Some on the Queen (none of them are bad*, but neither was H&M saying this vote was important): ▪︎ In 2016, she was caught criticising top Chinese officials as “very rude”. At a garden party in Buckingham Palace, the monarch was heard to say, “oh, bad luck”, after Metropolitan Police Commander Lucy D’Orsi mentioned that she had managed security for the UK visit of Chinese premier Xi Jinping. When D’Orsi spoke of the difficulties of dealing with Chinese officials, the Queen sympathised, saying: “They were very rude to the ambassador.” The comments were met with “extreme displeasure” in Beijing.

▪︎ 《The Queen had the right to say Johnson’s request to close parliament was “unconstitutional” because it was “done for the purpose of avoiding a vote of no confidence or other action by parliament against the government’s will”. In other words, he was seeking to silence MPs and deny the fundamental duty of the legislature to scrutinise the executive. Johnson exploited the convention that the Queen does what the PM tells her and got his way. But another convention is that she stays out of politics and she has broken that. If she can break one convention, she can break another.》 [Johnson's fault, he put her in a difficult position]

▪︎ She was upset there had been no way to arrest Abu Hamza and had spoke to the home secretary about the issue/Frank Gardner revealed that the Queen had told him she discussed the case of radical cleric Abu Hamza with a serving home secretary.

▪︎Christmas party at Downing Street: The Queen was not so keen forTurkey to enter the European Union. “I was present when the Queen made a comment that was both reactionary and unconstitutional,” Joan Smith. The Queen also said that "the EU is getting awfully big with 28 countries.’ Someone else said that, actually, it was 27, 'but we are hoping Turkey will come in soon’, to which the Queen said, 'Oh, we don’t want Turkey to come in for a long time.’

▪︎The Queen’s former press secretary revealed that she was angered byMargaret Thatcher’s refusal to impose strict sanctions on the apartheid regime in South Africa and that “The Queen considers the Prime Minister’s approach often to be uncaring, confrontational and socially divisive."

▪︎She hinted towards Brexit in a WI speech "For second time in the space of a month, The Queen expresses her concern about the state of the national debate. She said people should follow ‘tried and tested recipes’ such as ‘speaking well of each other and respecting different points of view’. She did similar at Christmas."

▪︎“The fact the Queen wanted Scotland to remain in Britain was something of an open secret,” according toThe Independent. This was all but confirmed when then-prime minister David Cameron was overheard telling New York mayor Michael Bloomberg that the monarch had “purred down the line” when he phoned to tell her the result of the vote.

▪︎"The Queen had a large influence in choosing Alec Douglas-Home to succeed Macmillan as prime minister. In her power to appoint bishops and archbishops, she has been known to make her feelings clearly known as to her favourites and not-so-favourites.

▪︎"I heard her talking about her disappointment in the current political class and its inability to govern correctly.'" (At an event, in reference to Cameron and Johnson)

*Well, minus the palace protection of Andrew from the FBI and in the British media

meercat23 · 26/09/2020 15:16

@Oldbutstillgotit

@ meercat23 indeed she was and as far as I know she has never done anything similar before or since but @ Royalinsider may know differently.
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Wauden · 26/09/2020 15:18

@smilesy

I have literally not logged on to Mumsnet for years but I have been lurking on these threads. I am now so incensed that I have reset my password so I can comment. I cannot believe that posters are complaining about misogyny hate etc being aimed at MM when certain posters have accused others of racism, anti- semitism and worse when you know nothing about these people on an anonymous forum. Harry and Meghan are making pronouncements about how people should vote and live their lives in an environmental friendly way etc all whilst living an expensive life and using private jets, driving large SUVs and so on. It is quite normal that people will have an opinion about this behaviour. However I have seen some appalling personal attacks on posters on this site and shame on Mumsnet for allowing them and the posters who made them to remain on this forum. It is abundantly clear that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of MM for the way she has behaved is subjected to vile accusations and abuse, before being hounded off completely. I am absolutely disgusted.
HEAR, HEAR. Well said, smilesy. 👏👏👏
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