Harry and Meghan, the one where every poster respects each other.

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@thefatladyscreams

There have been accusations of people hating HaM on here but I think what is often forgotten is a lot of people started out positive about them. I originally was excited about Meghan. It’s their subsequent behaviour that’s turned me off them and I’m not basing that on DM articles but from what I’ve seen and heard direct from the couple themselves.

Oh my, I didn't realise they had spoken to you directly. What did they say to you, to make you go off them?

If they didn't contact you personally (of course they didn't) then everything you have seen and heard has come from them directly.
It has been filtered through the media and it is selective quoting and spin that has informed your opinion.

hasn't come from them directly (need an edit function!)

I've never called anyone racist in their dislike. I just don't know where it all comes from, that's all, but not once have I accused racism. I find it puzzling for the dislike to be so strong. And yes I agree with you, in some cases, it will be racism amongst the general public. On here, I don't know, there will be some but I don't know who.

So yes the dislike comes from elsewhere. I presume it's a myriad of reasons.
Strong woman, American, does things differently, makes it seem like Harry is under the thumb, she drragged Harry away from the RF, the mismanagement of their press (that is valid, they've been fools at times), and of course 'the book'. That was a misfire and I am sure they now realise that, whether they had anything to do with it or not.

Me personally, I don't find her abhorrent like some do. I like her initiatives, I like they want to do good together, I think he has found his soulmate and I think he was not happy in the confines of the RF, and along comes Meghan and that gives him his 'out'.

That's my take on it. Just my opinion of course, no need to shoot it down in flames lol

I haven't come across anyone that was put off her by the engagement interview

Over the course of hundreds of M&H threads there were very very many people who said that

Well, Roussette, I obviously didn't read them. As you maybe did not read all the positive stuff that I read.

Maireas I read the positive stuff. I liked it. I am only answering your post saying to me you hadn't seen any negativity about the engagement interviews. I had, that's all.

TheNavigator, I assume most people understood I was trying to draw a distinction between what I saw about them reported in the news versus the words I read on their own social media (which I assume they had approved) or came out of their own mouths in interviews etc. But thank you for helping me make that clear.

Jesus - can’t think what put me off posting here for ages.

If they are ultimately happy, then no one should wish them ill, but they and their lifestyle have little to do with the British monarchy now, and maybe that's what they want. As a Brit they have very little interest for me.

As a Brit, none of the royal family have much interest to me, but I am interested in the media obsession with MM and how much she seems to enrage some posters - it is certainly noteworthy.

@thefatladyscreams

TheNavigator, I assume most people understood I was trying to draw a distinction between what I saw about them reported in the news versus the words I read on their own social media (which I assume they had approved) or came out of their own mouths in interviews etc. But thank you for helping me make that clear.

Jesus - can’t think what put me off posting here for ages.

The words that come out of their mouths in interviews will have been edited and selectively chosen and headlines put on the story to give it a spin. It is how the media works.

The Queen has lost some profit! PROFIT!! UNBELIEVABLE we are bailing her out.
Shameful, disgusting and does anyone say anything?

Actually yes, some of us say plenty - ditto about Charles's insensate spending, what he spends it on and his foot-stamping aversion to commercial aircraft

And speaking of his recent tours, where are many to the Commonwealth - you know, the organisation whose "top job" he wanted so much? Many of these countries may lack the dish to give him such a good time but don't they deserve attention too?

Harry and Meghan control what goes out. Completely. I don't blame them, but therefore no-one can say that their words are being twisted when you can listen to the video directly. They actually do say all this stuff.

**dosh, not dish

I'll be honest. I had an open mind about MM because I just wanted to see H happy. However, I found the engagement interview a bit cringeworthy. She was very gushy. The story about the roast chicken was a bit odd as well. I think it later turned out to be made up. I also found W and K's interview interesting because K was much shyer and quieter than I imagined. Also, it was clear W was the boss in the relationship.

"Criticism" isn't the same as abuse, hate, racial abuse, or obsessive hatred, though. I've noticed over the past couple of years that anti-Meghan posters will frequently reduce anything negative to "criticism" and that the word "criticism" is used to cover a huge range of behaviour, everything from overt racial abuse to legitimate and justified criticism. That's very dangerous, since it dismisses abuse/hate and seeks to align abuse with legitimate criticism.

These threads would not exist and be so contentious if it was just "criticism." But it's clearly not.

Overt and covert racial slurs are not criticism. Name-calling is not criticism. Lies are not criticism. Conspiracy theories, especially those predicated in racial and misogynistic stereotypes (eg Doria being in prison, Meghan being a former hooker) are not criticism. Obsessively monitoring everything someone you hate does is not criticism. Viciously attacking, gaslighting, and throwing personal attacks and abuse at anyone who doesn't hate Meghan, with the intention of censoring any and all non-hate opinion is not criticism. Creating dozens of email accounts so you can keep registering new Mumsnet accounts after being repeatedly banned is not criticism. Creating other forums to bash Meghan after being banned is not criticism. Orchestrating organised attacks and mass malicious false reports against posters who defend Meghan is not criticism. Bragging on other forums how you lied and made a false report and how you fooled "those woke gullible idiots in MNHQ" to try to get "Meghan defenders" deleted is not critism. Photoshopping fake inbox messages in an attempt to get Mumsnetters banned is not criticism.

Those things are obsessive, fixated stalking based on extreme racial hatred.

^Obviously there is plenty of legitimate criticism - I personally was very critical of Meghan on this forum during the early months of her marriage - but the legitimate criticism often gets overwhelmed with the obsessive hate and dirty tricks.

@froggygoneacourting well said.

@thefatladyscreams

I completely agree that some responses to Meghan were racist and not liking a strong, American woman etc. But any criticism of HaM has sometimes been shot down as racist.

Rousette and Royalinsider - do you think that it’s possible that some of the criticism might not be a result of prejudice and that some of us dislike their behaviour for other reasons (even if you disagree with our argument)?

I didn't say anything about Mumsnet commentators being racist, sexist or anything like that.

I can see how interview bits and court related things would be why you don't like them.

I do dislike them being constantly being made out to be stupid, cringy, tacky, desperate, greedy and all the other things that are endlessly repeated here (especially when commending others who have done the same or similar things).

" but the legitimate criticism often gets overwhelmed with the obsessive hate and dirty tricks"

I so agree with this. A month or two back I started the next M&H thread, brave fool I was.
I said in the OP that perhaps we could all really try to have a sensible discussion and respect each other, peace and love and all that.

Well..that initial OP was mocked and derided elsewhere, basically the piss was taken out of it and me.

But for the first half of the threads we genuinely had decent discussion whilst all obviously having differing views, but it
was good
But then it started. The real anti MMs couldnt stand the decent discussion and they were sniping, mocking, ridiculing anyone that didn't share their loathing of H&M and it went downhill.

It made 1,000 posts but never again, my sanity is worth more

I've noticed there have been a lot of personal attacks, unpleasant comments and accusations made against you @Roussette but you are always kind, calm and respectful

The Duke of Gloucester is moving a few dozen yards and the renovation bill is currently at £1 million. A mausoleum repair near Frogmore cost £2.8 million.

Some previous travel costs:
As well as their (Charles and Camilla) £19,583 return trip from Aberdeen to London, Charles and Camilla landed the taxpayer with a bill for £460,387 after deciding to charter a plane for a 10-day trip to Kuwait, Qatar, South Africa and Tanzania last November. And weeks after their riots visit, they cost the public purse £16,047 for another flight from London to Aberdeen...
Prince Andrew’s globe-trotting cost £378,249, including more than £200,000 for four private planes.
William and Kate's Australian tour in April cost taxpayers $474,137
The Queen's Australia tour cost $2,688,819
*William and Kate's tour of India and Bhutan: £62,331 was spent on a private jet to travel within the two countries
*Charles spent £1,128,753 on travel in 2018
*The Royal train costs £114 per mile (calculated in 2015)

Thank you Royal. (curtseys, as I'm addressing royalty lol)

I do baulk at these travel costs, they're shocking

Photoshopping fake inbox messages in an attempt to get Mumsnetters banned is not criticism.
Has this been happening here? I don't know anything about it, although I admit to not following this thread every day. Can you clarify?

So if I watch their own videos in their entirety or read their own social media, I’m being manipulated by the press. OK

I have been lurking on and off these threads and I often raise my eyebrows at the pettiness, nitpicking and snide comments about someone who is essentially just another human being like us.

I just don’t get it. I don’t judge MM, PH or another other celebrity as I know almost nothing about them (simply not interested). As far as I can tell, there is nothing they have done nothing that harms any of us.

But I do wonder about people who tear down another person persistently over trivial, petty ‘issues’ (pretty much non issues).

I think every time a poster ‘criticises’ someone else, they reveal something about themselves. I only posted on this thread because it seemed a lot like persistent bullying of MM and PH to me. Not that they are reading this or care, but none the less, if these things were said about any of us, we would feel bullied (irrespective of the motivation behind it, racial, misogyny, envy, don’t like them, just for fun or whatever else).

So I think just putting ourselves in their shoes before we post and thinking would I be ok with this being said about me and in this way, would help the tone a lot.

Just my view, fee free to flame 🔥 😄