Harry and Meghan, the one where every poster respects each other.

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James Purefoy doing an acting masterclass at TRH and spending what felt like half of it bitching about Colin Firth Lol

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@ Royalinsider foreign tours are undertaken at the request of the Foreign Office . This includes the ones you mention ; H and M’s African tour plus W and K’s Pakistani tour .
The reason people are questioning H and M’s tour is because of their behaviour at the end of what had been a successful tour.
They launched an attack on the media and the RF . Complaining about surviving not thriving in a highly impoverished area was breathtakingly misplaced .

People in the industry and the media know the difference between gossipy chat in RL and posting online. Although I appreciate people at arms-length might not understand that distinction or discretion.

LOL. My above deleted post, re-posted with the incriminating names removed:

"Media/entertainment is the most gossipy industry on earth. Go to any press night or awards ceremony, you'll hear enough gossip to turn your ears red. And that's real gossip about people's personal lives, not info about project development. Details about what projects are in development, who's pitching what to whom, what projects are in development hell, who just had a brutal notes session, what projects just lost their leading man or are looking to change EP, are completely common knowledge and not considered gossipy.

Hell, there are a million places online where aspiring or emerging screenwriters/producers/directors can sign up to attend free or very cheap workshops, Q&As and networking sessions with producers or execs - two of the execs from Netflix UK's drama department just did a Zoom session with DANC just a couple of weeks ago - and it's common that details of both successful and unsuccessful projects and pitches are shared to explain why they were greenlit or passed on.

I took a workshop with [redacted] when I was a student and he told a very indiscreet story about [redacted] offering him a BJ in exchange for studio access, and this was literally in a classroom in front of 30 students he'd just met. [Redacted] once did an acting masterclass at TRH where he spent what felt like half the time bitching about [redacted]. Everyone in the industry has a million stories like that.

When someone famous has a big project being pitched around, everyone knows. That's not considered gossip but just completely ordinary, normal industry chat. It's true that repeating stuff online is not really considered kosher, but to claim that no one in the industry would ever dream of gossiping even to their own family, or that gossiping is "frowned upon" is just laughably wrong.

The South Africa tour was part of their job. They were doing it well with positive press coverage except for a couple of Harry's actions. Snapping at a member of the press. Telling a young local that some days he (Harry) feels so miserable about the world that he can hardly get out of bed. Then for the finale Meghan's interview about herself.

That whole South African tour debacle made me so cross. Regardless of the cost of it, it was shaping up to be a howling success and getting amazing coverage of great causes. They had a wonderful reception and were doing everyone proud.

And then they spoiled the whole thing, and all anyone remembers now is Harry's petulant outburst at a reporter, his interview acknowledging a rift with William and her ill-advised (to put it mildly) "no one has asked me if I'm OK" stuff.

James Purefoy was excellent in The Knights Tale. Did he act in anything else?

Are the actual costs of the tours known - security, internal travel, accommodation, staff, subsistence - or only flights?

Ok I’ve had a look at the full report and it doesn’t make it clear, but it did say this.

“ The travel costs for the tours also include the costs associated with staff undertaking visits in advance in order to plan the tour programmes.”

So it stands to reason a longer trip with multiple destinations and with 2 itineraries would cost more overall.

I personally don’t have an issue with the cost.

What I have issue with is the utter arrogance and selfishness of the comments made.

@SwordfishShashlik

James Purefoy was excellent in The Knights Tale. Did he act in anything else?

Rome and Vanity Fair, to name two.

The South Africa tour was looking like a great success until they made it about themselves.

I mean, announcing they were suing Associated News. On the back of a successful tour? Really? He couldn't think of a better moment to do that?
Disgraceful.

I think that often the issue with H&M is their timing and how they detract away from good attention and it never goes in their favour.

There have been accusations of people hating HaM on here but I think what is often forgotten is a lot of people started out positive about them. I originally was excited about Meghan. It’s their subsequent behaviour that’s turned me off them and I’m not basing that on DM articles but from what I’ve seen and heard direct from the couple themselves.

@thefatladyscreams

There have been accusations of people hating HaM on here but I think what is often forgotten is a lot of people started out positive about them. I originally was excited about Meghan. It’s their subsequent behaviour that’s turned me off them and I’m not basing that on DM articles but from what I’ve seen and heard direct from the couple themselves.

I agree with you. On the whole I think the public were in two categories: one who were totally indifferent to anything anyone in the RF did and those who welcomed Harry marrying Meghan and their future together in the RF. Whilst there will have been some against it, they were in the small minority and to my knowledge didn’t even speak to about it (were there any negative headlines about their relationship until the talk of their attitudes about things like tiaragate etc?).

I mean, announcing they were suing Associated News. On the back of a successful tour?
A newspaper would have reported it if it had not have been announced (time sensitive). The same with them leaving, someone leaked it to Dan Wootton (which he has said himself) and they had to announce as he said he was going to write about it.

Dan has also said on his show that H&M shouldn't complain about the press printing anything negative, as the information they were getting (leaks about H&M) were from within the palaces and that some people didn't like them.

There was negative and racist headlines and stories right from the start of the relationship being found out.

She doesn't even come from Compton.

The press got really bad during their successful first tour and then again during her pregnancy.

You're generalising there, @Royalinsider. That risible article was written by Rachel Johnson and was roundly condemned at the time. There were plenty of positive headlines and articles as Meghan made such an impact on arrival, engagement, wedding, Ireland, Grenfell, Australia. The "press" is not the Dailly Mail, and nor is it social media.

I don’t doubt that some people were racist or anti-American in their response to Meghan. I’m talking about a sizeable number of people who were originally positive but have changed their perspective.

SunbathingDragon

I think that often the issue with H&M is their timing and how they detract away from good attention and it never goes in their favour.

100% agree with this.

Anti-Meghan comments on mumsnet were around from the start, negative and racist comments I heard in real life life were around from the start (and worst around the wedding), comments on newspaper stories and social media were negative and racist from the start.

Research on newspaper headlines on Meghan from May 2018 to January 2020, found that the majority were not positive and most were negative.

Research by digital consumer intelligence company Brandwatch found that of 29,000 tabloid and broadsheet items online about the Duchess of Sussex in 2019, 21,000 were negative – or 72%

Very many people have said they 'went off Meghan' with the engagement interview.
I was taken aback with that. I thought it was charming. Yes, it was different because she's a forthright American woman but how you can go off someone just like that, I do not know.
From that moment on for some people she was always going to be the villain.

I completely agree that some responses to Meghan were racist and not liking a strong, American woman etc. But any criticism of HaM has sometimes been shot down as racist.

Rousette and Royalinsider - do you think that it’s possible that some of the criticism might not be a result of prejudice and that some of us dislike their behaviour for other reasons (even if you disagree with our argument)?

I haven't come across anyone that was put off her by the engagement interview. Quite the opposite. She came across as so articulate, intelligent and positive! What a breath of air! I don't recall the negative mumsnet stuff, but I may not have read it. I did go on blogs such as Mad about Meghan and What Meghan Wore, because I loved her style. These continue to be very positive about her life and work. I know there has been negative, racist and misogynistic reporting. If the result is a new start then good luck to her. However, it doesn't mean that those two years were a catalogue of non stop attacks.