Harry and Meghan, the one where every poster respects each other.

[Iknowthingsthatwillhappen]

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8750345/Prince-Harry-joined-helicopter-club-California-Meghan-Archie-trips.html

Would also add trump Is many things but not a literal nazi !

It's very insulting to the Jewish among us and insulting to compare trivial things to the holocaust!

I'm an Orthodox Jew and lost family in the Holocaust. I am aware that this debate is an active one within the Jewish community and it's one I've been participating in, in the many services and Zoom discussion groups I've been active in during the current Yamim Noraim. However I personally believe the comparison to be both valid and essential, and that it is a mitzvah to use whatever voice I have to call out systemic oppression

Would also add trump Is many things but not a literal nazi !

Many Orthodox Jews and Holocaust scholars disagree with you.

Andrews behaviour and possible crimes have zero to do with Harry and Megan , so have no place in their discussion.

@froggygoneacourting

It's very insulting to the Jewish among us and insulting to compare trivial things to the holocaust!

I'm an Orthodox Jew and lost family in the Holocaust. I am aware that this debate is an active one within the Jewish community and it's one I've been participating in, in the many services and Zoom discussion groups I've been active in during the current Yamim Noraim. However I personally believe the comparison to be both valid and essential, and that it is a mitzvah to use whatever voice I have to call out systemic oppression

So as a Jew your opinion is the benchmark? Then as an American surely the other posters opinion should also be benchmark then? Yes?

Aha, now I know why these threads keep getting deleted. Silly me for engaging.

@Mominatrix

Aha, now I know why these threads keep getting deleted. Silly me for engaging.

I'm with you! I'm out now it's got too weird!

So as a Jew your opinion is the benchmark?

My opinion as Jew is the benchmark for what I personally am allowed to say/believe.

Your opinion as Jew (if you are Jewish) is the benchmark for what you personally am allowed to say/believe.

Just the same as any other Jew.

Are you actually Jewish? I noticed that between all your ranting about how ICE camps and mass forced sterilisations are "trivial" and how Trump isn't a Nazi you didn't actually say whether you were
Jewish, only lectured Jewish posters as to what they are and are not allowed to say by invoking the existing of hypothetical Jewish posters. It wasn't clear whether or not you were actually referring to yourself.

Please stop name-calling, hurling misogynistic abuse, and personal attacks around.

This thread is about Harry and Meghan encouraging voting in a crucial election.

This election is 100% about Trump and getting rid of Trump.

Therefore, Trump's behaviour is completely relevant to a thread about voting and the US election.

Trump has openly espoused views that are overtly racist/white supremacist, and which many people believe makes him a Neo-Nazi. He has openly engaged with and supported actual Neo-Nazi groups operating in America. The comparison between ICE camps and Holocaust-era concentration camps is one that many, many people (including many Orthodox Jewish leaders and Holocaust scholars) have made.

As a Jew and descendent of Holocaust survivors I believe it is my moral and religious duty to do whatever I can as a former US resident who unfortunately does not have the right to vote in US elections (New York not being one of the states to allow Green Card holders to vote) to campaign against Trump.

Meghan has not openly campaigned against Trump, but her simply advocating voting has caused an entire hate thread against her - in a thread where the same posters who attack a black American woman for advocating voting are also defending Trump, and using the word "trivial" to describe the abuses going on in ICE facilities.

@Roussette

And all this is because an American woman is encouraging her fellow americans to use their right to vote You couldn't make it up. You really couldn't

Rousette Meghan is an American Citizen and can say whay she likes about the political system in her own country. No problem at all with that.

Harry is a British citizen and should be aware that US citizens might not like being told by a non US person what they should do in their election.

I liked Obama very much but was not happy when he came to the UK and made comments about the Brexit Referendum.

I am sure you are well aware of all of this though.

This thread is about Harry and Meghan encouraging voting in a crucial election.

It's not

Your wish to discuss Donald Trump would probably be better received on one of the long-running series of threads about him. It has nothing to do with this particular thread.

Just dropping by to say we've removed a few personal attacks on this thread. Hopefully things will get back on track now.

@meercat23

What does 'I am sure you are well aware of all of this though' mean, not sure but it does sound a tad patronising. Apologies if that is not your intention
I am glad you have no problem with MM encouraging her fellow US citizens to vote and in the 2 minute clip, it is her doing this and really not so much Harry at all

@jeffgoldblumlovespenguins

@Mominatrix

*Aha, now I know why these threads keep getting deleted. Silly me for engaging.

I'm with you!
I'm out now it's got too weird!*

Me too. It's a shame different views can't be debated without the same posters getting so angry.

@froggygoneacourting

I’ve never read People or visited the People website. I was under the impression People was a magazine, not a message board.

Why haven't they?

1. It would take an Act of Parliament.
2. It would be perceived as snubbing the Queen and would lead to a tidal wave of bad press and negativity.
3. Reportedly the Queen strongly wishes for them not to, due to the precedent it would set for Andrew.

If the Queen wanted them to not have titles anymore then they wouldn’t have them.

Where are your sources for 3?

Not sure if that means me, you did say posters in the plural
I'm not the slightest bit angry, totally chilled here, just slightly amused at the latest H&M furore which is a complete nothing burger to me.

Anyway, enjoy the discussion,.I'm off to clean the grouting lol

@Roussette

Parliament has to act for this to happen. It's not a case of just Harry ringing Gran and saying we are not Duke and Duchess anymore

Why isn’t it? After all they are HRH still but not using it and able to say that without needing an Act of Parliament. Likewise, Edward and Sophie chose to give their children the titles of Lady and Viscount even though they always have been and continue to be able to use the title Princess and Prince for them. These are just a couple of examples of where it’s been chosen not to use something that is there to be used if wished.

@Mominatrix

TBH, without titles they will probably be known as Prince Harry and Meghan Markle.

In fairness, isn’t that what most media articles refer to them as anyway? It only seems to be their legal cases and publicity dictated by them that uses the Sussex titles.

[quote Roussette]@meercat23

What does 'I am sure you are well aware of all of this though' mean, not sure but it does sound a tad patronising. Apologies if that is not your intention
I am glad you have no problem with MM encouraging her fellow US citizens to vote and in the 2 minute clip, it is her doing this and really not so much Harry at all[/quote]
Roussette I didn't mean to be patronising but I did mean that I think you were being disingenuous in asking what was wrong about Meghan getting involved in the US election. Clearly she has the right to do this.

It is Harry's involvement that is problematic and that people are objecting to. I disagree that the clip was her and not so much Harry at all. He had things to say about an election in a country that he is not a citizen of and, for me, that is as problematic as when Obama made comments during the Brexit Referendum

Even though I agreed with what Obama had to say I really resented his presumption in getting involved.

Anyone who can’t see why this latest video is highly problematic is being deliberately obtuse!