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Play nicely and don’t say anything that will get your post (or the thread) deleted. I’ll start. Archie is cute and it would be lovely to see him more often.

Sums it up very well @Oldbutstillgotit and I think it’s those contractions that have led to large numbers of the public being exacerbated by them. If they’d just said the RF role is not for them, I think most would understand that. Whilst the public might roll their eyes at some of their antics, there wouldn’t be the same level of annoyance as there is now and as a result maybe they would be able to get on with things with less controversy.

I think the one year review will only be extended if HMQ wants it to be. H&M aren’t doing anything to imply they want to return to the RF and (as you say) the mood of some of the public isn’t likely to be overly welcoming although I do think they would probably move on from it given time.

I think when they offered the review, they really misjudged the mood of the public. I don't think the majority of people accept royals wafting in and out, as takes their fancy. Either you accept the duty and privilege for life or you don't.

I think the review possibly won't be delayed. I can't imagine the Queen is overimpressed with their behaviour so far. Maybe something is on the cards but we don't know what yet.

MM wouldnt want to leave and fight for her title the Duchess. thats one of the reasons she got married to PH, to step up.

@bluebell34567

MM wouldnt want to leave and fight for her title the Duchess. thats one of the reasons she got married to PH, to step up.

But if she struggles to abide by royal family protocol, surely it would be the sensible way out for her?

Even if the title is important to her and is taken away, she would still be able to style herself as Princess Henry of Wales if she wished.

I think the Queen would have the right to say no public use of titles whatsoever. But Meghan still retains them in theory. Same as HM did with the HRH. If they aren't representing the royal family why do they need titles. Especially in a country which prides itself on no titles.

If the title is taken away, their friends can write a book or do a round of interviews on how it felt for them to lose their titles ... that is the problem HMQ is facing. They may have hoped financial obligation and familial respect would temper the fallout from H&M leaving but the FF book has shown H&M's friends don't share or rate those values.

Then there are the lack of apologies when H&M make mistakes eg confusing apolitical and being political; comparing being disenfranchised with H's position. It would be easy to say meaning was lost in the transmission and to reassert an RF-friendly position. But they don't.

Negotiating with a team that can't apologise, can't learn from mistakes and doesn't share your values, is like catching water unless you're prepared to take firm lines and weather the resulting storm. H&M are relying on the RF wanting to avoid a storm at all costs. But the review may prove differently. The RF need to consider the demographics of the disgruntled.

@BottomOfMyPencilCase

If the title is taken away, their friends can write a book or do a round of interviews on how it felt for them to lose their titles ... that is the problem HMQ is facing. They may have hoped financial obligation and familial respect would temper the fallout from H&M leaving but the FF book has shown H&M's friends don't share or rate those values.

Then there are the lack of apologies when H&M make mistakes eg confusing apolitical and being political; comparing being disenfranchised with H's position. It would be easy to say meaning was lost in the transmission and to reassert an RF-friendly position. But they don't.

Negotiating with a team that can't apologise, can't learn from mistakes and doesn't share your values, is like catching water unless you're prepared to take firm lines and weather the resulting storm. H&M are relying on the RF wanting to avoid a storm at all costs. But the review may prove differently. The RF need to consider the demographics of the disgruntled.

Time will tell whether or not the public continues to buy and have interest in the stories they sell to the media, especially since I think few people believe they come from anywhere/anyone other than H&M directly.

If enough of the U.K. public want the titles to go, and they reside in a country that prides itself on not having titles, then HMQ is unlikely to feel she has much of a problem in removing them.

I can see the 12 month review being the opportunity to make a public statement saying that H&M have decided that they wish to continue a life away from the RF and due to their desire to involve themselves in politics etc and residing abroad, it is no longer appropriate for them to be known as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex. That would then theoretically leave the door slightly ajar in the unlikely event Harry or both of them returned to the RF which simultaneously meaning they don’t have any titles to use.

Even if the title is important to her and is taken away, she would still be able to style herself as Princess Henry of Wales if she wished.

Will Harry still be Prince Henry of Wales if/once Charles passes the POW title on to William? Or will he revert to being just Prince Henry?

Does he have the "of Wales" title because he's the son of the current POW?

Does he have the "of Wales" title because he's the son of the current POW?

That's my understanding, yes - you could almost regard it as a surname, though the RF don't generally use them

I’ve just googled and apparently as of 2018 his title changed from His Royal Highness Prince Henry of Wales to His Royal Highness Henry Charles Albert David Duke of Sussex. I’m guessing if the Sussex Dukedom is removed then he would be left with Prince Henry Mountbatten-Windsor.

Also, as I understand it and it will be interesting to see what happens, once Charles is king, Archie is entitled to be called Prince Archie.

"Prince Archie"

I can't see Archie using the Prince title if they remain in the USA. Edwards children are also Prince and Princess being grandchildren of the monarch. But they don't use the titles. That's what I read anyway.

I've got images of the male equivalent of The Princess Diaries being played out in the States in about 15 years time.

Why was the Grey Viper post deleted?
It was only pointing out the blooming obvious - the contradictions, they're in & then they're out, they're yes & then they're no, they're hot & then they're cold as paraphrasing Katy Perry.

Gosh when Archie comes of age they'll have trouble fighting of the unsuitable fortune hunters only after money and a title.

@Viviennemary

I think the deleted post was from another forum.

Apparently tomorrow Meghan is releasing a conversation with Gloria Steinem about women and voting.

Gloria Steinem? There's a name from the past. I remember doing a essay on her at university.

Women and voting or women and voting. I'll be interested to see how M skirts the issues inherent in who she includes in the term women. Because it is only the sex class of women that have struggled for voting rights and representation but GS seems to have embraced TWAW.

If I was doing the review my list would start.

1. Collaborated with the book that attacks Kate and royal staff who can't answer back.
2. Spoke out about the election issues in the US.
3. Complained about Harry's disenfranchisement.
4. Bought a house and borrowed another from dodgy Russian oligarchs.